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Would appreciate any help in finding the parents and grandparents of Tom Platts c1861 to c1916 and Ellen Walton c1860 to c1931 who were married in 1880 at Wortley in Yorkshire. I thought that I had all the correct ancestors but it proved to be the wrong road so I am wanting to double check.

Buy the marriage cert for the names of their fathers ( if they knew them)

No need to guess their death years - look for the info on freebmd

Birthplace for both is said to be Ecclesfield, Yorks.

So this would be the South Yorkshire Wortley, not the Leeds Wortley.

It would be useful if you told us which ancestral line you had found and why you discounted it.

Edit:
There are a lot of trees on Ancestry which suggest the parents are John & Martha - are these the ones you discounted?

1871 shows Tom with father John, born c1822, and siblings, William, Hannah & Walter

Ignore ancestry trees unless they show verifiable PROOF

Don't know what research you've done....................this is probably his birth

PLATTS, TOM DENIAL
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 169

1881 and 1891 censuses say Ecclesfield for both.

1901 census says Tom was born in Green Head, Yorkshire, and Ellen in Mortomley, Yorkshire:

Tom Platts
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Tom Platts
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ellen Platts
Birth Place: Green Head, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Chapeltown St John And Mortomley St Saviour
Town: High Green
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration District: Wortley
Sub-registration District: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors:
Piece: 4334
Folio: 101
Page Number: 9
Household Schedule Number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
Tom Platts 40
Ellen Platts 40 - Mortomley
John Willie Platts 19
Thomas Platts 17
Arthur Platts 16
Albert Platts 14
Ernest Platts 13
Colin Platts 10
Ruth Platts 8
Jane Platts 5
Hannah Platts 1
Lorance Walton 20 - relative, Mortomley
Hannah Steples 14


1911 says Chapeltown for both of them:

Tom Platts
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Tom Platts
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Chapeltown, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Chapel Rd Mortomley Nr Sheffield
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Collier
Registration District Number: 508
Sub-registration District: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 27679
Household Members:
Name Age
Tom Platts 51
Ellen Platts 51
Arthur Platts 26
Albert Platts 24
Colin Platts 20
Ruth Platts 18
Janey Platts 15
Doris Platts 11
Bernard Platts 6
Nellie Platts 4


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PLATTS, TOM mmn DENIAL
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 169



Tom Platts
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Tom Platts
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: 1861
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Ecclesfield Yorkshire England
Civil parish: Ecclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Ecclesfield
Town: Grenoside
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 4656
Folio: 97
Page number: 9
Household Members Age Relationship
John Platts 49 Head
Will m Platts 21 Son
Hannah Platts 19 Daughter
Walter Platts 14 Son
Tom Platts 10 Son


Tom Platts
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Tom Platts
Age: 3/12
Estimated Birth Year: 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Platts
Mother's Name: Martha Platts
Gender: Male
Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Chapeltown
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration District: Wortley
Sub-registration District: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 238
Piece: 3458
Folio: 25
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
John Platts 39
Martha Platts 44
Henry Deighton 21 - stepson
John Deighton 16 - "
Charles Deighton 14 - "
William Deighton 12 - "
Mary Deighton 10 - stepdaughter
William Platts 11
Hannah Platts 9
Martha Platts 6
Walter Platts 4
Sam Platts 2
Tom Platts 3/12


PLATTS, WALTER mmn DENIAL
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 177

PLATTS, SAM mmn DENIAL
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 161

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PLATTS, HANNAH mmn HOWDIN
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 22 Page 816

PLATTS, WILLIAM mmn HOWDEN
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in WORTLEY UNION Volume 22 Page 795


DEIGHTON, WILLIAM mmn DENIAL
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in WORTLEY UNION Volume 22 Page 784

The father John Platts seems to have had two partners - both named Martha ?? - can't see any marriages:

Martha Denial's first marriage:

Martha Denial
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Martha Denial
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 15 May 1836
Marriage Place: Rotherham,York,England
Spouse: Joseph Deaton
FHL Film Number: 0496703, 0481067

This, presumably, is the possible marriage latched on to by Ancestry treeholders

Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%)
Platts John Wortley 22 539
Wragg Martha Wortley 22 539

1861

Mortomley, Ecclesfield, Wortley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
John Walton Head Married Male 26 1835 Coal Miner Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Alice Walton Wife Married Female 22 1839 - Worsbrough, Yorkshire, England
Clara Walton Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Ellen Walton Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England


WALTON, ELLEN HUDSON
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE Volume 09C Page 172

WALTON, CLARA HUDSON
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in WORTLEY Volume 09C Page 175


Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
Hudson Alice Sheffield 9c 303
WALTON John Sheffield 9c 303

John Platts
in the 1851 England Census
Name: John Platts
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha Platts
Gender: Male
Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Grenoside
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Wortley
Sub-registration District: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 32
Piece: 2335
Folio: 202
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
John Platts 30
Martha Platts 32
Sarah Platts 10 - can't find her birth so far.
William Platts 1 - this is the William born 1849, birth posted above.


Ancestry keeps trying to divert me to a couple named Matilda and John Booth Platts, who had a daughter named Sarah, but these are not the right people.

I had thought that Toms parents were George Platts and Elizabeth Stagg and that his grandparents were George Platts and Anne Hobson but then the trail became confusing plus a lot of information suggested that his parents were John Platts and Martha Denial. Just looking for more certainty on which ancestors to follow.

This could be the birth of Sarah Platts, in the 1851 census above - which would fit with the Wragg marriage:

WRAGG, SARAH mmn HOWDEN
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in WORTLEY UNION Volume 22 Page 649


George Wragg
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFBH-KYN : 13 March 2020), George Wragg, 1836.
Name George Wragg
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Martha Howden
Spouse's Sex Female
Marriage Date 12 Dec 1836
Marriage Place Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Marriage Place (Original) Ecclesfield, York, England

However, that's John Platt's first partner Martha - not Martha Denial, who was Tom's mother.

FACTS..........................

First name(s) Tom
Last name Platts
Age 19
Birth year 1861
Residence Greenside
Marriage year 1880
Marriage date 13 Nov 1880
Marriage place Sheffield, St Mary, Ecclesfield
Spouse's first name(s) Ellen
Spouse's last name Walton
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's residence Mortomley
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Platts
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Walton
County Yorkshire (West Riding)

The second Martha (nee Denial) is said to be 44 in 1861.

Martha Denial
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Martha Denial
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 4 May 1817
Christening Place: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original): Ecclesfield, York, England
Father's Name: John Denial
Father's Sex: Male
Mother's Name: Amelia
Mother's Sex: Female

First name(s) John
Last name Platts
Age 27
Birth year 1822
Residence Wharncliffeside
Marriage year 1849
Marriage date 19 Feb 1849
Marriage place Sheffield, St Nicholas, Bradfield
Spouse's first name(s) Martha
Spouse's last name Wragg
Spouse's age 30
Spouse's residence Grenside
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Platts
Spouse's father's first name(s) Benjamin
Spouse's father's last name Howden
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-44-3-3
Page 111
Record set Yorkshire Marriages

A tree on Ancestry has an image of Martha Platts (nee Denial)'s death cert:

Died on 24 August 1866 at Greenhead, Ecclesfield.
Age 49.
Wife of John Platts, labourer.
Cause of death: "Cancer in left breast, convulsions, not certified".


Deaths Sep 1866 (>99%)
PLATTS Martha 49 Wortley 9c 119

First name(s) Martha
Last name Platts
Birth year 1818
Age 34
Death year 1852
Burial year 1852
Burial date 09 Nov 1852
Place Ecclesfield
Church St Mary
Denomination Anglican
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales

First name(s) Martha
Last name Howden
Residence Ecclesfield
Marriage year 1836
Marriage date 12 Dec 1836
Marriage place Sheffield, St Mary, Ecclesfield
Spouse's first name(s) George
Spouse's last name Wragg
Spouse's residence Ecclesfield
Father's first name(s) -
Spouse's father's first name(s) -
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies

Further info

First name(s) Alice
Last name Hudson
Age 20
Birth year 1834
Residence Park
Marriage year 1854
Marriage date 31 Jul 1854
Marriage place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Spouse's first name(s) John
Spouse's last name Walton
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's residence Park
Father's first name(s) Abraham
Father's last name Hudson
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Walton
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies

???

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Jump Bason, Wath upon Dearne, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Abraham Hudson Male 35 1806 Yorkshire, England
Ann Hudson Female 25 1816 Yorkshire, England
Harriot Hudson Female 4 1837 Yorkshire, England
Allis Hudson Female 2 1839 Yorkshire, England
John Hudson Male 0 1841 Yorkshire, England