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21 Mar 2021 13:52 |
I am trying to find my ancestor William Hart Hardcastle who was born in 1810 in Yorkshire. I have only very small information on him and would love to find his roots. The information I now have is that William died in 1884 in Plymouth Devon, he had a daughter called Elizabeth Mary Hardcastle who i believe was born in 1863 in Cornwall.(unable to find birth record) In 1881 William is in Plymouth with Elizabeth. In 1871 William is in Holsworthy with his wife Mary who sadly died in 1872. I have a marriage of a William to a Mary in Cornwall in 1866 but unsure if this is him. I do have a death Certificate for him which states he was born in Yorkshire and that he was a stonemason Any help or ideas would be grateful I need to crack this as I have been working on it for so many years and my uncle before me who has passed.
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malyon
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21 Mar 2021 14:15 |
not finding William hart Hardcastle
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: William Hardcastle Event Type: Christening Event Date: 26 Sep 1810 Event Place: York, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Saint Mary Bishophill Junior, York, York, England Sex: Male Father's Name: William Hardcastle Mother's Name: Mary
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21 Mar 2021 14:31 |
for ref in the 1881 England Census View 1881 England Census
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Name: Elizabeth Hardcastle Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: William Hardcastle Gender: Female Where born: Helston, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Plymouth St Andrew County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: 127 King Street Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Serv Out Of Employment Registration District: Plymouth ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: Piece: 2195 Folio: 59 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age William Hardcastle 84 Elizabeth Hardcastle 18
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Name: William Hardcastle Age: 69 Estimated Birth Year: 1802 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Leeds Yorkshire England Civil parish: Holsworthy County/Island: Devon Country: England Registration district: Holsworthy Sub-registration district: Holsworthy ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 66 Piece: 2210 Folio: 62 Page number: 14 Household Members Age Relationship William Hardcastle 69 Head Mary Hardcastle 47 Wife Elizabeth Hardcastle 6 Daughter
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21 Mar 2021 14:51 |
maybe Name: William Hardcastle Gender: Male Baptism Date: 25 Jun 1809 Baptism Place: Woodkirk's, West Ardsley, York, England Father: Wm. Hardcastle Mother: Mary Hardcastle FHL Film Number: 1542170 Reference ID: D 108/37 it 1 of bingley moor, father a labourer
in the 1841 England Censu
Name: William Hardcastle Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Rothwell Hundred: Agbrigg (Lower Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Wakefield Sub-registration District: Ardsley Neighbors: Piece: 1269 Book: 17 Folio: 3 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age William Hardcastle 30
1861 Name: William Hardcastle Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: 1809 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: West Ardsley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Rothwell Ecclesiastical parish: Rothwell County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Wakefield Sub-registration District: Ardsley ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 13 Piece: 3429 Folio: 77 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age William Hardcastle 52
1851 Name: William Hardcastle Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Mary Hardcastle Gender: Male Where born: West Ardsley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: East Ardsley Ecclesiastical parish: East Ardsley Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: East Ardsley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Sub-registration District: Horbury ED, institution, or vessel: 1b and 3 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 106 Piece: 2328 Folio: 354 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Mary Hardcastle 72 William Hardcastle 42
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Maddie
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21 Mar 2021 15:00 |
Name: Mary Hardcastle Age: 72 Birth Year: abt 1779 Burial Date: 28 May 1851 Burial Place: Rothwell, Holy Trinity, Yorkshire, England Parish: Rothwell, Holy Trinity Search Photos: Search for 'Rothwell, Holy Trinity' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
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21 Mar 2021 15:02 |
Where have you found the daughter called Elizabeth MARY?
Ancestry suggests this is her - Elizabeth ANN:
Elizabeth Moss in the 1911 England Census Name: Elizabeth Moss Age in 1911: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Helston, Cornwall Civil Parish: Plymouth Country: England Street Address: 141 & 143 King Street West, Plymouth, Devon Marital status: Married Occupation: Assistant in Business Registration District Number: 276 Sub-registration District: Plymouth South West ED, institution, or vessel: 03 Piece: 12979 Household Members: Name Age William Charles Moss 48 Elizabeth Moss 48 Agnes Moss 16
Elizabeth Ann Hardcastle in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Elizabeth Ann Hardcastle Registration Year: 1883 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Plymouth Inferred County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 437 Records on Page: Name Elizabeth Ann Hardcastle William Charles Moss
However, even if her name was Elizabeth Ann, I still can't see her birth, so don't know her mother's name..
There were no Hardcastle births in Helston RD 1850-70.
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malyon
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21 Mar 2021 15:04 |
William Hardcastle England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: William Hardcastle Event Type: Christening Event Date: 11 Jul 1802 Event Place: York, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Saint Michael Spurriergate, York, York, England Sex: Male Birth Date: 5 Jul 1802 Father's Name: Samuel Hardcastle Mother's Name: Mary Grayton Paternal Grandfather's Name: Bryan Hardcastle Paternal Grandmother's Name: Sarah Maternal Grandfather's Name: William Grayton Maternal Grandmother's Name: Lydia
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Maddie
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21 Mar 2021 15:09 |
elizabeth is on the 1881 census and 1871 Name: Elizabeth Hardcastle Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: William Hardcastle Gender: Female Where born: Helston, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Plymouth St Andrew County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: 127 King Street Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Serv Out Of Employment Registration District: Plymouth ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: Piece: 2195 Folio: 59 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age William Hardcastle 84 Elizabeth Hardcastle 18
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greyghost
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21 Mar 2021 15:11 |
Devon Marriages And Banns
First name(s) Elizabeth Ann Last name Hardcastle Birth year 1863 Age 20 Year 1883 Marriage date 12 Nov 1883 Place Plymouth, St Andrew Denomination Anglican Spouse's first name(s) William Charles Spouse's last name Moss Spouse birth year 1863 Spouse's age 20 Father's first name(s) William Hart <<<<<<<<<< Father's last name Hardcastle <<<<<<<<<< Spouse's father's first name(s) Edwin Spouse's father's last name Moss County Devon Country England Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
From image - William Moss is a Mariner of the Merchant ship "Iona". Father Edwin a Coal Porter Elizabeth is of 53 King Street and Father is a Hawker Witnesses - Edwin Moss and Rosina Hart
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greyghost
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21 Mar 2021 15:21 |
Possibly the witness Rosina in 1871 - a neighbour of the Hardcastle's ? a relative with the surname as per William Hart Hardcastle
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census King Street, St Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Hart Head - Male 56 1815 - Buckinghamshire, England Charity Hart Wife - Female 40 1831 - Devon, England Eliza Hart Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Devon, England Susan Hart Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Middlesex, England Mary Ann Hart Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Middlesex, England Rosina Hart Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Middlesex, England
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21 Mar 2021 15:27 |
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Births Jun 1863 (>99%) POPE Elizabeth Ann Helston 5c 253
POPE Elizabeth Ann Gilbert Helston 5c 257
Marriages Sep 1866 (>99%) HARDCASTLE William Truro 5c 250 LANYON William Truro 5c 250 NANKIVELL Julia Truro 5c 250 POPE Mary Truro 5c 250
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Mistycat
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21 Mar 2021 15:36 |
Maybe?
Marriages Sep 1866 HARDCASTLE William Truro 5c 250 POPE Mary Truro 5c 250
Births Jun 1863 POPE Elizabeth Ann Helston 5c 253
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greyghost
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21 Mar 2021 15:44 |
Odd ? Coincidence?
POPE, ELIZABETH ANN mmn GILBERT GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 266
POPE, ELIZABETH ANN GILBERT - no mmn GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 257
also POPE, ELIZABETH ANN mmn TRELOAR GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 253
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21 Mar 2021 15:49 |
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: POPE, ELIZABETH ANN TRELOAR GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 253 POPE, ELIZABETH ANN GILBERT - GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 257
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Mistycat
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21 Mar 2021 15:59 |
?? If this were my family, I would purchase the below certificate to see if Elizabeth was born illegitimately or from a mother’s previous marriage....
Births June 1863
POPE Elizabeth Ann Helston 5c 253 ————————————-
POPE, ELIZABETH ANN GILBERT - GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 257
RICHARDS Bessie Helston 5c 253 RICHARDS Elizabeth Ann Gilbert Helston 5c 253
Name: Elizabeth Ann G Richards Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Registration Year: 1875 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 11 Registration District: Helston Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Cornwall Volume: 5c Page: 183
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Mistycat
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21 Mar 2021 16:06 |
Marriages Jun 1862
POPE Peter Helston 5c 350 Treloar Caroline Helston 5c 350
POPE, ELIZABETH ANN TRELOAR GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 253
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safc
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21 Mar 2021 16:09 |
Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field (only fields with a value are shown) Value County Cornwall Place (Links to more information) Crowan Church name (Links to more information) St Crewenna Register entry number 193 Marriage date 29 May 1862 Groom forename Peter Groom surname POPE Groom age full age Groom condition bachelor Groom occupation Miller Groom abode Crowan Bride forename Caroline Bride surname TRELOAR Bride age full age Bride condition spinster Bride abode Godolphin Groom father forename Frank Groom father surname POPE Groom father occupation Miner Bride father forename Benjamin Bride father surname TRELOAR Bride father occupation Miner Witness1 Vivian STEVENS Witness2 Lavinia STEVENS Notes Banns Transcribed by Harold Reece Pinchin File line number 198
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Mistycat
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21 Mar 2021 16:16 |
Post moved above where I hope it makes sense!!
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ErikaH
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21 Mar 2021 16:24 |
How did you work back to this man? You refer to him as your ancestor, so do you have a PROVEN line?
You say his death cert says he was a Stonemason - the man in Plymouth in 1871 and 1881 is a HAWKER,
I didn't think that death certs gave birthplace info until after 1969
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Maddie
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21 Mar 2021 16:44 |
there is a tree on ancestry that appears to agree with the info for william posted above
William Hart Hardcastle 1809–1884 Birth 25 JUN 1809 • West Ardsley, Yorkshire, England Death JAN 1884 • Devonshire, United Kingdom
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William Hardcastle Mary 1779–
Spouse & Children
Mary Pope 1824–1872
Elizabeth Ann Hardcastle 1863–1925
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