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How sad. Not an easy choice of employment. You just wonder about her circumstances that drove her to that choice.

Just a update on this, i still didn't find out when or where Florence died but i did find out she was a Prostitute :-0 . Explains all those children she kept having.

Also just found this in the Newspaper from 1913

Servants Theft- At Dudley Children's Court on Wednesday. Florence Poultney aged 15 was put on probation on her fathers bail of £5 for 12 months, on a charge of stealing a half-sovereign, the property of her employer, Hyam Bloom, New Steet, Dudley, by whom she was engaged as a servant.

Thanks ArgyllGran, I did check that as well. It was worth a try. Maybe it's going to be one of those mysteries that can't be solved but i have found out some new things on here that we didn't know about.

Florence did not marry in Scotland, which Kay wondered about.

That's what I was thinking , maybe she tried to start a new life somewhere else. Thank you

Florence may have took the surname of someone she lived with after her spell in hospital,,,but never married ? she could have married in Scotland?

Someone who didnt know too much details about her when she died her age could have been guessed at and the spelling of he surname if she remaied singlel mid 1960s only a year of birth is given on deaths registration ,so much room for mistakes when full details are lacking by informants....

Oh i see, the 1939 was the one below Florence's record, i understand now, Sorry Erika, i was having a thick moment, i thought it was all one record.
Yes i will try the Birmingham Uni as well. When it's all up and running again my Sisters ex husband is going to get the files from DR Banardos home and that should hopefully have some more info on Florence.

Debbie,

The ER lists are people who live at an address and have a right of vote,,,,,,just like we have now,,,dates of births are not included,,,,
The 1939 register was a count taken just prior to WW2 and in later years after the war in 1948,when the NHS service was formed,ithat count.census was consulted to give people a NHS number,

The Electorals and the 1939 register are not linked,

The Potters were shown to live there in 1939,& 1946 shows a Florence L Poultney,,she may have been a arried woman?

If you look further into the 1939 register you will find all the female patients are listed as,*incapacitated* even those patiens of aged 10 some only 3/4.,,,,males all have a job listed,or retired.
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The hospital staff also have their jobs listed,

Try the Birmingham Uni aswell because records are housed in various places all over and sometimes not where you expect.

but the City council wont hold such records,

Does Florence not have a year of birth on the 1946 ER as all the rest of them have

I have, I'm still just not sure. What have they got to do with Florence.

Look at my post in full........ ;-) ;-)

I looked at the births on www.freebmd.org.uk and found what I think is the birth registration of Doris Poultney. This birth was registered at Dudley in the June quarter (April, May, June) of 1930, volume 6b, page number 1581. It suggests to me that Florence was not married at the time of this birth because the child was registered in her maiden name. A copy of this certificate would confirm this hypothesis and also give the address where the birth took place.



From the information in your email it would appear that 9 years later in 1939, still not married, Florence was a patient in New Cross Hospital and is described as “incapacitated”. This suggests to me that she was incapable of looking after herself and had been admitted to the hospital because of severe mental/psychiatric or physical illness. Above her surname is the word ‘Gray’ which should indicate a marriage but neither myself nor a colleague have been able to find one, or a death in either name, which is a bit of a mystery and so frustrating and we don’t hold any patient records for New Cross Hospital to check either.



If you haven’t already done so it might be worth contacting Barnardo’s to get Doris’ records as they might give some information into the background circumstances surrounding her placement there. My understanding is that the records they keep are quite detailed so they might provide some clues for further research.



I’m sorry I can’t be of more help with your enquiry this time, it is one of the joys of genealogy that occasionally there is one person who seems determined not to found and has vanished.



Sincerely



Christine Joy Brown

Archive Assistant

Tel. Office: 01902 552905



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City of Wolverhampton Council

Is this the same or is it a different place on what you posted Kay



*****Just checked and it is the same place unfortunately*****

Thanks Kay, i did contact Wolverhampton Archives through email and they said they didn't have any of the records, but i will check back and see if it's the same one as you posted.
Erika, sorry i did read that but unsure if it is right or not. Who was the Richard and Kathrine you were on about. Thanks

Just wondering whether you saw the ER info I posted...............asking only because you didn't comment ;-) ;-)

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These hold Admin and Discharge records of New Cross Inst/Hospital 1910---1963,

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Due to the current situation mid summer could be the earliest to visit or contact.phoning before is often best as the wait to locate these type of records can take an age.

I just realised, that all happened 100 years ago in January, wow

It's awful isn't it, i just found that article as well. We just don't know what was going on. She was in a workhouse and kept on having babies by the looks of things. We don't know if Doris, that was born in 1930 was taken off her straight away or she kept her for a while. My sisters ex husband is going to order the records at Dr Barnardo's as soon as all this covid stuff has finished so should find out more. Thanks for all your help everyone, it's a sad read but answers a lot of questions to why Doris ended up in care.

CHARGE OF CHILD NEGLECT. Florence Louisa Poultney, a single woman, of 5, Great Hill, was charged at Dudley yesterday with neglecting her child. aged seven months.
The child was found to be in an extremely emaciated condition and suffering from bronchitis and when removed by an inspector of the NSPCC to the Workhouse infirmary, it was so ill the nurse was afraid to weigh it.
The defendant, who was bound over for 12 months, said she had to work all day, and was the main support of the home.

08 January 1921 - Birmingham Daily Gazette - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

The poor woman seems to have been all on her own and desperately in need of help. We are so lucky that things have improved so much in our lifetimes.

Hi Kay, i did contact someone about records for New Cross Inst but they said they didn't keep records or have them anymore, thanks