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Good morning.

On 29 July 1902 in India, Charles James Gorman (born 8 Nov 1877) married Ellen Elizabeth Page (YOB c.1883) . Witnesses at the wedding were Harlan and Alexander Page.

I can find nothing else on Charles and Ellen Gorman after this.

I would also quite like to find a birth for Ellen and her father's name.
The parents of Charles were Andrew and Catherine.

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Thank

Nicki

Connected thread

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1391189

The marriage cert would be an obvious way to go for father's name

As has been explained on your other thread, records for India are difficult to access

One would imagine the witnesses were related to the bride

First name(s) Harlan
Last name Page
Marriage year 1906-11
Marriage Date 1906-1911
Spouse's first name Hilda D.
Spouse's last name Thorley
Presidency -
Archive Reference Z/N/11/11
Piece N/11
Volume 11
Folio 1144
Record set British India Office Marriages

First name(s) Harlan
Last name Page
Birth year 1876
Death date 07 Oct 1926
Death year 1926
Age 50
Burial date 07 Oct 1926
Place Sewree
Presidency Bombay
Archive The British Library

Posting only what comes up - you will have to get certs for verification and cross-referencing

First name(s) Alexander Fraser
Last name Page
Marriage year 1918
Marriage date 16 Sep 1918
Spouse's first name Hannah
Spouse's last name Massolles
Place Bombay
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 31
Groom's father's first name Samuel
Groom's father's last name Page
Bride's father's first name Carl
Bride's father's last name Massolles
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :

There is no father's name for Ellen Page on the marriage record, although the groom's father is named

Thanks ErikaH, I found a tree on Ancestry that mentions Hannah and Alexander but looking at it Ellen and Harlan are not listed.

Nicki

Name:
Ruth Hilda Page
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 9 May 1910
Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India
Event Place (Original): Sewri, Bombay, India
Sex: Female
Age: 0
Death Date: 8 May 1910
Father's Name: Harlan Page

The above is on familysearch - FREE

as is..........................

Name: Hilda Davy Page
Event Type: Burial
Event Date: 28 Oct 1945
Event Place: Bombay Presidency, India
Event Place (Original): Sewri, Bombay, India
Sex: Female
Age: 67
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Year (Estimated): 1878
Death Date: 26 Oct 1945
Spouse's Name: Harlan Page
Spouse's Sex: Male

Ancestry trees are not to be trusted, unless they show documentary PROOF

Thanks again ErikaH - I have both Ancestry and Findmypast but don't always manage to find what others with wider experience can find.

Nicki

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British India Office Marriages

First name(s) Harlan
Last name Page
Marriage year 1908
Marriage date 30 Dec 1908
Spouse's first name Hilda Davis
Spouse's last name Thorley
Place Bombay
Presidency -
Groom's father's first name Samuel P H (should be K not H)
Groom's father's last name Page
Bride's father's first name William
Bride's father's last name Thorley

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Name: Alexander Fraser Page
Age: 75
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1885
Death Date: abt 1960
Burial Date: 29 Jul 1960
Burial Place: Barnet, London, London, England
Interment Number: 6047

???

British India Office Deaths & Burials

First name(s) Samuel Kelly
Last name Page
Birth year 1841
Death date 08 Sep 1892
Death year 1892
Age 51Y 5D
Burial date 08 Sep 1892
Place Sewree
Presidency Bombay
Archive
The British Library
Archive Reference N-3-68
Folio -
Page 199


British India Office Births & Baptisms

First name(s) Samuel Kelly Pharoah
Last name Page
Birth year 1841
Birth date 03 Sep 1841
Baptism year 1841
Baptism date 5 Jan 1842
Place Masulipatam
Presidency Madras
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Page, Qtr Master Serjeant Nizs ? Service
Mother's first name(s) Emily
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-2-21
Folio 2



British India Office Marriages

First name(s) John
Last name Page
Marriage year 1837
Marriage date 5 Sep 1837
Spouse's first name Emily
Spouse's last name Kelly
Place Secunderabad
Presidency Madras



India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948

Name: Samuel Page
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Age: 29
Birth Date: 1840
Marriage Date: 2 Nov 1869
Marriage Place: Bombay, Bombay, India
Father: John Page
Spouse: Ellen Clara Brewin
Age: 16
Birth Date: 1853
Father: Walter Brewin
FHL Film Number: 523928

Alviegal

Thank you so much.

i am bemused that I can't find anything on Charles and Ellen Gorman

Nicki

I just wonder if Samuel was Ellen's father but wasn't mentioned on the MC as he had died.

Still looking for Charles and Ellen with not much luck :-(

British India Office Wills & Probate

First name(s) Samuel Merril
Last name Page
Event year 1939
Presidency Bombay
Death year 1939
Death date 19 Mar 1939
Place Bombay
Record type Administration
Archive reference L-AG-34-29-383-B
Page/folio number 361
Catalogue description Probates & Administrations - All India vol 1

Late a retired engineer of Bombay European inhabitant a widower died at St George's Hospital, Bombay. Alexander Fraser Page, brother of the deceased and the duly constituted attorney of Samuel Kenneth Page and Malcolm James Merril Page the sons of the said deceased.

Name
Alexander Fraser Page
Gender
Male
Initiation Date
1 May 1915
First Payment Year on Register
1915
Year range
1910-1921
Profession
Oil Coy
Lodge
Tyrrell Leith Lodge
Lodge Location
Baroda Bombay
Lodge Number
2162
Folio Number
117
Household Members

Name: Samuel Merrill Page
Gender: Male
Initiation Date: 11 Jul 1912
First Payment Year on Register: 1912
Year Range: 1910-1921
Profession: Mill Assistant
Lodge: Research Lodge
Lodge Location: Bombay
Lodge Number: 3184
Folio Number: 214

Name: Samuel Merrill Page
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: West Ham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 269
Records on Page:
Name
Eva Grace Fergusson

Name: Samuel Merrill Page
Gender: Male
Initiation Age: 31
Birth Year: abt 1880
Initiation Date: 28 Apr 1911
First Payment Year on Register: 1911
Year Range: 1910-1921
Profession: Engineer
Lodge: Marine Lodge
Lodge Location: Calcutta
Lodge Number: 232
Folio Number: 105

Name: Mrs Eva G Page
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Birth Date: abt 1876
Departure Date: 26 Dec 1919
Port of Departure: Plymouth, England
Destination Port: Bombay, India
Ship Name: City of York
plus 2 children

Eva Grace
Last name Page
Birth year 1877
Death date 19 Dec 1921
Death year 1921
Age 44
Burial date 19 Dec 1921
Place Sewree
Presidency Bombay
Archive
The British Library
Archive Reference N-3-126
Folio -
Page 333

Be aware that the name is also transcribed O'Gorman. Still haven't found anything on Charles oe Ellen though.

British India Office Marriages

First name(s) Charles
Last name O Gorman
Marriage year 1902
Marriage date 26 Jul 1902
Spouse's first name Ellen Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Page
Place Poona
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 24
Bride's age 19
Groom's father's first name Andrew
Groom's father's last name O Gorman

Thank you all for your help in trying to locate Charles and Ellen and for all the info on Ellen's family

Nicki