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John Hyde
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John Hyde
Gender: Male
Age: 67
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1824
Birth Place: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Ettingshall Holy Trinity
Residence Place: Ettingshall, Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Registration District: Dudley
Sub registration district: Sedgley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 39
Neighbors:
Piece: 2291
Folio: 107

Occupation: (Port ? Post ? ) Watchman.
Married, but no wife with him.

Lodging with the Marriott family, who are wrongly transcribed on Ancestry as Smith. The Smiths live next door to the Marriotts.

As already shown, Sarah is listed as "Married" in 1891 census - but that can't be taken as gospel.

In 1881 John is a "sinker of shafts" - which sound likecoal mining.
In 1871 he's a miner.
In 1861 he's a sinker.

1851 does say he was a stone miner - but maybe he changed occupation, or maybe it's a mistake on the census.

"Sinker - Someone skilled who contracted to sink new shafts for coal mining."
http://www.census1891.com/occupations-s.php

John's stated YOB varies from 1820 to 1824 in the various records.

Impossible to know which death is correct without buying the cert(s).

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Deaths Dec 1889 (>99%)
Hyde John 69 Dudley 6c 46

Ancestry suggests the 1898 death in Walsall, posted on page 1 of this thread, of a John Hyde born c1824.

Update on Sarah

Received cert today great news it is Sarah from my tree death 23rd Dec 1891 her son in law Joseph Wilkes present at death
I now have another query if John her husband had died before Sarah would it not say on her cert widow of the late John Hyde on cert it says wife also it has John as a coal miner he was a stone miner He was on the 1881 census with Sarah not on the 1891 so I assumed he had died in between the two census John Hyde is a common name in this area Coseley, Sedgley and Tipton and I have found several deaths in the 10 year time frame that would fit so not sure yet which is my John

Thank you all again for your help :-) :-)

Oops! When you get the cert, let us know ;-) ;-)

The 1901 is not the correct one if Ann Ellis was with her in 1871 with George Hyde husband my Sarah was married to John I'm going for the one Rose suggested in Cannock in 1891 :-) :-)

That's the right woman in 1901.............the servant is one who was with her in 1871

Name: Sarah Hyde
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: 1817
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Sedgley Staffordshire England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
Town: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 3006
Folio: 80
Page number: 3
Household Members Age Relationship
George Hyde 58 Head
Sarah Hyde 54 Wife
George Hyde 29 Son
Ann Ellis 20 Servant

Her DEATH

Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Hyde Sarah 86 Dudley 6c 36

Sorry missed it first time got it now

Where is the death in Cannock not finding it ???

She's in Cannock in 1891 so this could be her death:

Deaths Dec 1891
Hyde Sarah 78 Cannock 6b 308

Rose

And possibly in 1901 ??


Sarah Hyde
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sarah Hyde
Age: 84
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley Christchurch
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 20 Church Road
Registration District: Dudley
Sub-registration District: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors:
Piece: 2741
Folio: 87
Page Number: 4
Household Schedule Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Hyde 84 - widow, living on own means
Ann Ellis 50 - servant, single, general domestic

Sarah in 1891, with married daughter Mary Ann:

Sarah Hyde
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Sarah Hyde
Gender: Female
Age: 78
Relationship: Mother-in-law
Birth Year: 1813
Child: Mary Ann Wilkes
Birth Place: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Cannock
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Residence Place: Hednesford, Cannock, Staffordshire, England
Registration District: Cannock
Sub registration district: Cannock
ED, Institution or Vessel: 16
Neighbors:
Piece: 2221
Folio: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Wilkes 37
Mary Ann Wilkes 36
Joseph E Wilkes 12
George M Wilkes 8
James F Wilkes 5
Sarah Hyde 78 - married
Charles Harding 26

Other possibilities:

Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Hyde Sarah 86 Dudley 6c 36

Deaths Jun 1895 (>99%)
Hyde Sarah 75 Dudley 6c 40

Update

The certificate arrived today but alas it is not my family

The certificate for this Sarah address Tipton not Coseley and husband William not John so the search continues I will keep looking for the deaths for both John and Sarah

Regards

My grt x 2 grandad fathers age varied from census to census but he couldn’t read or write so wouldn’t be able to count either

His age at death just didn’t equate to any earlier census age but the informant was family so I knew the death cert was him

I just made notes about his age on my ftm tree

Her parents marriage

James Jackson and Jane Williams 25 February 1811 Rowley Regis Staffordshire.

James Jackson c1784

Jane Williams c 1788

Marriage 24 May 1847 Wallsall, Staffordshire.
Saint Thomas's Church, Dudley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom

It's worth repeating that the age stated on a death cert isn't necessarily correct, as it depends on what the informant knew, or thought they knew.

You still won't know exactly when she was born, but at least you'll know when she died
- assuming that's the right death cert..

Thank you all for your help I have now sent for certificate when it arrives I will let you know if it is the correct Sarah

Mary Jackson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Mary Jackson
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
3 Mar 1822
Event Place:
Saint Thomas's Church, Dudley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Sex:
Female
Death Date:
13 Dec 1822
Father's Name:
James Jackson
Mother's Name:
Jane

Willm. Jackson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Willm. Jackson
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
9 Apr 1820
Event Place:
Saint Thomas's Church, Dudley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
James Jackson
Mother's Name:
Jane