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Hi members, please can someone look in Ancestry.com as I cant find a mothers name for Mary the details I have are.
Mary Ann Maria Langton born about 1852 at North Riding Yorkshire England, I have her married to a Edward Penny born 1851 Chelmsford Essex England they got married on 25/7/1873 Yorkshire England.
Ok so far so good, now Mary's father is a James Langton, I did get Mary's marriage certificate and that's where I got her fathers name, I'm trying to find Mary's mothers name I can't seem to find it I'm hoping Ancestry has it any help will be helpful.
Jill.

Where did you find she was born in North Riding Yorkshire?

This has her born Middlesex:

Name: Mary Maria Penny
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Event Place: Battersea, London,Surrey, England
Registration District: Wandsworth
Residence Note: Bridge Rd
Sex: Female
Age: 29
Marital Status: Married
Marital Status (Original): Married
Birth Year (Estimated): 1852
Birthplace: Hayes, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Page Number: 30
Registration Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 638/17


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edward Penny Head M 30 Chelmsford, Essex, England
Mary Maria Penny Wife F 29 Hayes, Middlesex, England
Charlotte Penny Daughter F 7 Broton, Yorkshire, England
Chas Thom Penny Son M 5 Whitten Le Wear, Durham, England
Arthur Robt Penny Son M 3 Battersea, Surrey, England

Household ID: 662423
Line Number: 22
GS Film Number: 101774316
Digital Folder Number: 101774316
Image Number: 00503

Rose

1891 says Middlesex:

Name: Mary A Peney
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Event Place: Battersea, London, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Battersea, London, England
Event Place Note: Warsill Street
County: London
Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST SAVIOUR
Enumeration District: 10
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sex: Female
Age: 39
Marital Status: Married
Birth Year (Estimated): 1852
Birthplace: Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Page Number: 36
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 421/ 135
Affiliate Record Type: Household
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1891/0421/0271&parentid=GBC/1891/0003575370


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edward Peney Head M 39 Essex, England
Mary A Peney Wife F 39 Middlesex, England
Charlotte Peney Daughter F 17 Yorkshire, England
Arthur A Peney Son M 13 London, England
Christmas Peney Son M 7 London, England
George Peney Son M 4 London, England
Lily Peney Daughter F 3 London, England

Rose

Hi just family told me but thank you for looking for me I will read what you have put many thanks.
Jill

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Record Transcription:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Pistells Lane, Hayes, Uxbridge, Middlesex, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Langton Head Married Male 38 1813 Garndeners Laborer Hayes, Middlesex, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Maria Langton Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Bloxham, Oxfordshire, England
Matilda Langton Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 Bonnet Maker Hayes, Middlesex, England
William Langton Son - Male 12 1839 Plasterers Laborer Hayes, Middlesex, England
Amelia Langton Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Hayes, Middlesex, England
Henry Grainger Lodger Unmarried Male 34 1817 Tailor Master Hayes, Middlesex, England
Caroline Kelly Sister Married Female 30 1821 Visitor Hayes, Middlesex, England
Joseph Kelly Nephew - Male 0 1851 Visitor Kensington, Middlesex, England

Record Transcription:
Yorkshire Marriages
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First name(s) Edward
Last name Penny
Age Full Age
Residence Brotton
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 25 Jul 1873
Marriage place Brotton
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann Maria
Spouse's last name Langton
Spouse's age Full Age
Spouse's residence Brotton
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Penny
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Langton
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Teesside Archives
Archive reference PR/BRP 1/2
Page 129
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain


james langton is a gardener

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Record Transcription:
Greater London Marriage Index
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First name(s) James
Last name Langton
Marriage year 1833
Marriage date 01 Jul 1833
Spouse's first name Maria
Spouse's last name Charles
Place Heston
County Middlesex
Country England
Record set Greater London Marriage Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Thanks for the extra info many thanks.
Jill

In this older thread you said she was born in Hayes and you have her born in Hayes in your tree.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1371882

Rose

By the way, Edward was born in 1850:

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PENNY, - KING
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in CHELMSFORD Volume 12 Page 36

They just hadn't named him yet when they registered the birth.

Rose

Many thanks all for your help.
Jill

What was James' occupation and who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Rose

Following the James & Maria Langton couple in the censuses above - just in case:

Possible birth of the son William, to fit with the possible Maria Charles marriage:

[A male birth ]
LANGTON, - mmn CHARLES
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in UXBRIDGE UNION Volume 03 Page 241


Possible birth (female) of daughter Amelia:

LANGTON, - mmn CHARLES
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in UXBRIDGE UNION Volume 03 Page 339

However, I don't see a birth for Mary Ann Maria with mmn Charles.


Incidentally, even though 1851 census gives James's YOB as c1813, 1881 says c1805:

James Langton
in the 1881 England Census
Name: James Langton
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Maria Langton
Gender: Male
Where born: Hayes, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Bolton Rd
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Gardener
Registration District: Kensington
Sub registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 40c
Neighbors:
Piece: 36
Folio: 90
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
James Langton 76
Maria Langton 78

What info did she give about her father on the marriage certificate? Occupation? Deceased? Who witnessed the event?

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Name: Mary Ann Langton
Admission Age: 16
Discharge Age: 16
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Birth Date: abt 1852
Admission Date: 19 Jun 1868
Admission Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England
Discharge Date: 17 Jun 1868
Discharge Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England

Name: Amelia Langton
Admission Age: 24
Discharge Age: 24
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Birth Date: abt 1841
Admission Date: 31 May 1865
Admission Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England
Discharge Date: 6 Jun 1865
Discharge Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England

Mary Ann in 1861 ? - but not much help:

Mary Ann Largton
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Largton
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: 1853
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Hayes, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Limehouse St Anne
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Butcher Row
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Stepney
Sub-registration District: Ratcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 125
Piece: 284
Folio: 167
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ward 32
Sophia Ward 40
Mary Ann Largton 8


On the face of it, the Wards don't seem to be an immediate clue.
They're not an aunt and uncle, for instance:

John Ward
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: John Ward
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 18 Feb 1843
Marriage Place: Saint Paul, Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Spouse: Sophia Collins
FHL Film Number: 413301

Looking again at that Langton family in 1851:

Amelia Langton
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Amelia Langton
Admission Age: 24
Discharge Age: 24
Record Type: Admission and Discharge [ from the infirmary]
Birth Date: abt 1841
Admission Date: 31 May 1865
Admission Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England
Discharge Date: 6 Jun 1865
Discharge Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England

Address: 12 George St.

[The above already posted by Maddie, but now giving the address.

The address for Mary Ann Langton, in the infimary in 1868, also posted by Maddie, was 8 Hanover Cottages]


Matilda Langton [ Age 26, per GRO ]
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Matilda Langton
Registration Year: 1860
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 3


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William Langton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Langton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 31
Registration District: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 69


Maria Langton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Maria Langton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 76
Registration District: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 61

Amelia
Last name Langton
Birth date/age None
Baptism year 1842
Baptism date 23 Oct 1842
Place Hayes
Residence Hayes
Relationship Dau
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Maria
Occupaton labourer ------------------------
County Middlesex

Harry Augustus
Last name Langton
Birth date/age None
Baptism year 1842
Baptism date 23 Oct 1842
Place Hayes
Residence Hayes
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Maria
Occupation Labourer
County Middlesex
Country England

William
Last name Langton
Baptism year 1838
Baptism date 13 May 1838
Place Hayes
Residence Hayes
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Maria
Occupation Labourer
County Middlesex

Thanks for the extra info i will read all the information you all have sent many thanks
Jill

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