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ArgyllGran
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8 Jan 2021 11:07 |
This MIGHT be the illegitimate Harry Price:
Harry Scarrott in the 1891 England Census Name: Harry Scarrott [Harry Price] Gender: Male Age: 10 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1881 Father: William Scarrott Mother: Annie Scarrott Birth Place: Wellington, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Wellington Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Residence Place: Wellington, Wellington, Shropshire, England Registration District: Wellington Sub registration district: Wellington ED, Institution or Vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 2131 Folio: 99 Household Members: Name Age William Scarrott 43 Annie Scarrott 40 William Scarrott 14 Eliza Scarrott 12 Harry Scarrott 10
Against Annie's name, an Ancestry member has added this note:
"Hannah Price rather than Annie Scarrott The original data on the record is incorrect. She was not married to William. She had her illgt son Harry Price with her. Annie was a pet name for Hannah. Later census prove all of this Submitted by: winterproject on 25/01/2014"
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NO, that's not the right Harry. That one was still single in 1901:
Harry Price in the 1901 England Census Name: Harry Price Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Father: William Searrott Mother: Hannah Searrott Birth Place: Wellington, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Wellington Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Wellington County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Wellington (Shropshire) Sub-registration District: Wellington ED, institution, or vessel: 5a Neighbors: Piece: 2562 Folio: 119 Page Number: 30 Household Schedule Number: 185 Household Members: Name Age William Searrott 53 Hannah Searrott 52 Harry Price 22 - single, labourer in timber yard
Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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7 Jan 2021 19:38 |
Also rule out the 1879 Harry above:
Harry Price in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Harry Price Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 0 Registration District: Wellington Inferred County: Shropshire Volume: 6a Page: 570
That leaves the illegitimate Harry 1880 as a possibility.
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7 Jan 2021 19:23 |
If the second birth above;
Possible marriage of parents ??
Marriages Mar 1874 (>99%) Hamer Agnes Shiffnal 6a 902 Price Joseph Shiffnal 6a 902
William H. Price in the 1881 England Census Name: William H. Price Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship to Head: Son Father: Joseph Price Mother: Agnes Price Gender: Male Where born: Wombridge, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Shifnal County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Oakengates Education: Employment status: View image Registration District: Shifnal ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 2633 Folio: 93 Page Number: 68 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Price 31 Agnes Price 32 Sarah J. Price 6 Albert E. Price 5 Alfred C. Price 4 Ethel C. Price 2 William H. Price 1
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BUT NO, his marriage record says his father was Robert.
Anyway, that William Henry is still unmarried in 1901.
William Price in the 1901 England Census Name: William Price Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation to Head: Brother Gender: Male Birth Place: Oakengates, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: Priors Lee Ecclesiastical parish: Oakengates Holy Trinity Town: Oakengates County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Registration District: Shifnal Sub-registration District: Shifnal ED, institution, or vessel: 6a Neighbors: Piece: 2523 Folio: 6 Page Number: 4 Household Schedule Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Albert E Price 25 Alfred C Price 24 Ellen Price 24 Ethel Price 22 William Price 21 May Price 19 Maude Price 15 Albert C Price 3 Gertrude E Price 9/12 Richard Tomkins 30
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7 Jan 2021 19:17 |
???
PRICE, HARRY mmn EVANS GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in WELLINGTON SALOP UNION Volume 06A Page 835
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PRICE, WILLIAM HENRY mms HAMER GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in WELLINGTON (SALOP) UNION Volume 06A Page 791
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PRICE, HARRY - GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in WELLINGTON SALOP UNION Volume 06A Page 794
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ErikaH
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7 Jan 2021 17:00 |
1901 census
Coneygree Road, Tipton, Dudley, Staffordshire, England Harry Price Head Married Male 22 1879 Horse Driver Wellington, Shropshire, England Emily Price Wife Married Female 20 1881 - Warwick, Warwickshire, England Winnie Booth Visitor Married Female 24 1877 - Dudley, Worcestershire, England
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7 Jan 2021 04:47 |
Using https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd in particular http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference Add to Summary RICHARDS Richard CASTER Adelaide L L 1874 Tipton, St Mark Sandwell Register Office 38/2/292 PRICE Henry RICHARDS Lucy E 1899 Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/042/141
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6 Jan 2021 15:00 |
Record Transcription: Radnorshire Baptisms
First name(s) Doris Last name Price Birth year 1914 Birth date ? ? 1914 Baptism year 1914 Baptism date 06 Jul 1914 Place Knighton County Radnorshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) Henry xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Mother's first name(s) Lucy Emily Page 243 Record set Radnorshire Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from Wales, Great Britain
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ErikaH
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6 Jan 2021 11:11 |
1939 31 George Road, Knighton, Knighton U.D., Radnorshire, Wales
Richard H Price 04 Oct 1901 Male Gas Stoker Heavy Worker Married 137 1 Elizabeth B M Price 02 Jun 1902 Female Land Worker At Market Gardener Married 137 2 Emily B J Bondler (Price) 16 Apr 1925 Female At School Single 137 3 Winifred G D Neville (Price) 30 Mar 1927 Female At School Single 137 4 Stanley G Price 03 Nov 1928 Male At School Single 137 5 Cedric D Price 27 Sep 1930 Male At School Single 137 6 2 closed records
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2021 11:00 |
Another child:
PRICE, RICHARD HENRY mmn RICHARDS GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 44
Richard Henry Price in the Radnorshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1994 Name: Richard Henry Price Gender: Male Marriage Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: 1900 Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1924 Marriage Place: Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales <<<<<<<<<<<<< Father: William Henry Price <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< labourer Spouse: Elizabeth Beatrice Mary Turner
I think he is "Henry" in 1911 census, rather than the Henry whose birth I posted earlier. I've edited the earlier post to add the probable death of Henry:
PRICE, HENRY 1 GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 30
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2021 10:50 |
Possibly William Henry's death??
Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%) PRICE WILLIAM H 88 RADNOR E 8C 394
Lucy's death (posted earlier) was registered in Radnor East, which includes Knighton.
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2021 10:24 |
Presumably the birth of the son Harry in the 1911 census:
PRICE, HENRY mmn RICHARDS GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 96
And the son James in the 1911 census:
PRICE, JOHN JAMES mmn RICHARDS GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 115
EDIT: I think Henry in 1911 census may be Richard Henry (see later posot, and not the Henry above.
This will be the death of the Henry born 1901:
PRICE, HENRY 1 GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 30
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2021 10:00 |
We haven't found them together in 1901. Nor Henry on his own, as far as I can see. That Lucy Richards in 1901 may or may not be the right person - though shouldn't be.
You say that her husband is William H Price.
Where did you find that, please? Is that on the photos?
He's Henry at marriage, in 1911, and in 1939. No mention of William.
EDIT: Oh yes, I see he's William Henry on Phyllis's baptism record.
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ErikaH
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6 Jan 2021 09:37 |
The marriage was posted by ArgyllGran at 23:08 and 1911 census info has been posted.
In 1911, they say they had produced 5 children ,of whom 3 had died
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Geccolover
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6 Jan 2021 00:19 |
Thank you so much for all this brilliant information!
You see my problem now with finding them on the 1901 and 1911 census - they should have been married by then but I can't seem to find the right record.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jan 2021 23:35 |
Ancestry suggests this is Lucy in 1901 - but can't be, as she was married by then (assuming the 1899 marriage is the right couple.).
Lucy Richards in the 1901 England Census Name: Lucy Richards Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Wellsbourne, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Leamington Ecclesiastical parish: Leamington Priors All Saints Town: Leamington County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: 47 Regent Street Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Registration District: Warwick Sub-registration District: Leamington ED, institution, or vessel: 05 Neighbors: Piece: 2931 Folio: 102 Page Number: 12 Household Schedule Number: 99 Household Members: Name Age Jane James 41 - Ladies outfitter, shopkeeper Lucy Richards 19 - single, assistant to above.
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5 Jan 2021 23:29 |
Emily Richards in the 1881 England Census Name: Emily Richards Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Richard Richards Mother: Laura Richards Gender: Female Where born: Leamington, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Leamington Priors County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address: 1 Bath Place Education: Employment status: View image Registration District: Warwick ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 3091 Folio: 146 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Richard Richards 28 Laura Richards 23 Louisa Richards 4 Harry Richards 2 Emily Richards George Trier 16
Emily Richards in the 1891 Wales Census Name: Emily Richards Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Richard Richards Mother's Name: Laura Richards Gender: Female Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: St Thomas Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: St Thomas County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration District: Swansea Sub registration district: Swansea ED, institution, or vessel: 41b Neighbors: Piece: 4485 Folio: 6 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Richard Richards 38 Laura Richards 33 Louisa Richards 14 Harry Richards 12 Emily Richards 10 James Richards 7 Laura Richards 4
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5 Jan 2021 23:23 |
Births Mar 1929 (>99%) Price Edna M Price Knighton 11b 151
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5 Jan 2021 23:22 |
1939 Register logo The National Archives logo Emily Price's life in 1939 28 George Road, Knighton, Knighton U.D., Radnorshire, Wales Price household (5 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Henry Price 25 Dec 1879 Male Licenced Hawker Married 135 1 Emily Price 24 Oct 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 135 2
Edna (May) Ear (Price) 04 Dec 1928 Female At School Single 135 4
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jan 2021 23:08 |
Deaths Sep 1946 (>99%) Price Lucy E 65 Radnor E. 8c 330
Lucy Emily Price in the Radnorshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1994 Name: Lucy Emily Price Death Age: 65 Record Type: Burial Birth Date: 1881 Death Date: abt 1946 Burial Date: 6 Sep 1946 Burial Place: Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales Page number: 34
Address: Cwm, Knighton.
Her birth???
RICHARDS, LUCY EMILY mmn CASTER GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 565
Louisa Emily Richards in the Warwickshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1910 Name: Louisa Emily Richards Baptism Date: 7 Nov 1880 Baptism Place: Leamington Priors, All Saints, Warwickshire, England Parish: Leamington Priors, All Saints Father: Richard Richards Mother: Lonisa Richards
Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%) Caster Adelaide Laura L Dudley 6c 200 RICHARDS Richard Dudley 6c 200
In spite of the fact that the 1911 census says she was born in Wrexham, the Warwickshire birth looks like the right one.
Lucy Emily Richards in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Lucy Emily Richards Gender: Female Marital status: Single Age: 20 Birth Date: 1879 Marriage Date: 22 May 1899 Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcestershire, England Father: Richard Richards <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse: Henry Price FHL Film Number: 378789 Reference ID: v 109 p 71 n 141
Henry's father's name was Robert.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jan 2021 22:54 |
Birth:
THOMAS, ADA - GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 115
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