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thank you for your helping me i will try and get a birth cert thanks again

As there doesn't appear to be an obvious marriage for the names on William Alfred's birth registration, you will have to buy a copy of his birth cert to find out the names of his parents, although a copy of his marriage cert would tell you who he thought his father was...................

Do you have the marriage certificate of William Alfred Moore and Mary AE Wheeler.

If you do, can you post all the details from it please.

If not you may have to buy the marriage certificate of your Grandparents - ie. This will give you the names and occupations of their Fathers which may help helpers to pinpoint the right family. Names of witnesses may also help.

Then post all the details on here so we can help further if possible.

Thank you for answer my questions dad did live in Witstable Road he had a sister Sheila and four other siblins his father was William AlfredMoore b.1889 dont know his parternal grandfather

Yes, sorry - that's what I meant, GG, but I worded it badly.

Not sure he was actually in the RAOC in 1939 - rather that he worked with/for them. He would have been aged 50/51 at that point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Army_Ordnance_Corps

"In 1922 the RAOC headquarters, regimental depot and School of Instruction moved from Woolwich to Hilsea Barracks on the edge of Portsmouth. (The School provided education and training in all aspects of the Corps' work, with the exception of ammunition ..........."

I wonder if he joined the army after leaving the RN - he was certainly in the RAOC in 1939.
We really need the marriage cert details:

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William Moore
in the 1911 England Census
Name: William Moore
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Huntingdonshire
Search Photos:
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Rank: Private
Military Unit: 2nd Dorset Regt
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: Ceylon and India
Piece: 34997

I don't see a Moore/Tilley marriage for his parents.

Also not seeing any other Moore/Tilley births in the Portsmouth area.

There are some born in Leicester -
- but that family is in Leicester in 1891 - and there's no son William with them, so not related.
Those parents married in Leicester - so no Portsmouth connection.

??? Before joining the RN, maybe ?? Maybe the reason for his tattoo "love to May" ???

William Moore
in the Dorset, England, Crew Lists, 1863-1914
Name: William Moore
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birth Place: Southampton
Age: 19
Event Date: 7 Jan 1905
Registry Port: Poole
Ship: Princess May

Rank : OS ??
Discharged in Southampton.


William Moore
in the Dorset, England, Crew Lists, 1863-1914
Name: William Moore
Birth Year: abt 1887
Birth Place: South
Age: 17
Event Date: 25 Jul 1904
Registry Port: Poole
Ship: Princess May

Born in Southampton.
Remaining on same ship
Rank: AB [something ]



William Moore
in the Dorset, England, Crew Lists, 1863-1914
Name: William Moore
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birth Place: Newhaven
Age: 18
Event Date: 20 Jan 1904
Registry Port: Poole
Ship: Princess May

Rank: cook.
Discharged in Southampton, but was returning to same ship (as in 1904 and 1905 records above) .

I've had a re-think on the Stoker and deleted the info, as the other record is a much more likely match for 1939 census, in view of birth date

I wish the poster had said which grandfather he was looking for........................ :-S :-S :-S

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William More
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William More
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Portsmouth
Sub-registration District: Portsea and Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors:
Piece: 996
Folio: 30
Page Number: 17
Household Schedule Number: 106
Household Members:
Name Age
Elet Gleeson 58
Frederick Gleeson 28
Elinor Gleeson 21
Frances M Gleeson 18
William More 13 - errand boy


The 1911 posted by ErikaH for the RN stoker born in Cosham doesn't seem to match with a steward born in Portsmouth, who apparently left the RN in 1908.

Unless he rejoined, and the census has his birthplace wrong.


It would help to know the details from the marriage cert.

The RB record says his occuption was Fish Frier.

He had dark brown hair, brown eyes, and dark complexion.
He had tattoos on his right forearm, of a bird, clasped hands, and "Love to May".
A ship and a snake on his left forearm

He joined the RN in 1906, but there's nothing on his record after 1908.
Discharged at his own request.
He was an "Off Stew 2cl " - I assume that means an Officer's Steward 2nd class.

His birth year is inaccurate in 1939 - the date and month match the RN records

There is no birth of a William Alfred Moore whch would fit with the DOB 17 Oct 1888 - but DOBs in the 1939 Register are often not accurate.

These two would fit if the 1939 Register is a year out:


MOORE, WILLIAM ALFRED mmn TILLEY
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 530


MOORE, WILLIAM ALFRED mmn SWAIN
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 43


As well as my question re what the marriage cert says about William's father -
what was William's occupation at marriage?

Same family 1911 -

1911 Census For England & Wales
Womans Wold, Womanswold, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alfred Thomas Wheeler Head Married Male 47 1864 Shepherd Kent Brenzett
Rachel Wheeler Wife Married Female 45 1866 - Kent St Marys
Alfred Thomas George Wheeler Son - Male 12 1899 School Kent Lyminge
Walter Charles Ralph Wheeler Son - Male 10 1901 School Kent Lyminge
Cyril David Wheeler Son - Male 7 1904 School Kent Lyminge
Kate Louisia May Wheeler Daughter - Female 5 1906 School Kent Lyminge
Cyril John Wheeler Son - Male 3 1908 - Kent Lyminge
Algernon Albert Wheeler Grandson - Male 1 1910 - Kent Goodnestone

MOORE, WILLIAM ALFRED (MMN) TILLEY
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 530

First name(s) William Alfred
Last name Moore
Service number 364620
Birth year 1887
Birth date 17 Oct 1887
Birth place Portsmouth
Birth county Hampshire
Birth country England
Archive
The National Archives
Archive reference ADM 188/556/364620
Record set British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924

???? her with her parents - noting she has a brother Alfred and there is a Moore/Wheeler birth in Elham RD - Alfred E

Correct RD for her marriage

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Farm House, Eachendhill, Lyminge, Elham, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alfred Thos Wheeler Head Married Male 38 1863 Shepherd Brenzett, Kent, England
Rachel Wheeler Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Kent, England
Dorothy E Wheeler Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Brenzett, Kent, England
Elizabeth M Wheeler Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - Brenzett, Kent, England
Alfred T G Wheeler Son Single Male 4 1897 - Brenzett, Kent, England
Walter C R Wheeler Son - Male 0 1901 - Lyminge, Kent, England

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Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Moore Alfred E Wheeler Elham 2a 2052

?????????

Name: Mary Elizabeth Wheeler
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Jul 1895
Baptism Place: Kensal Rise St Martin, Brent, England
Father: William Wheeler
Mother: Eliza Wheeler

Name: Elizabeth Mary A Moore
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1894
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1973
Registration District: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1612

Name: Elizabeth M Wheeler
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: William Wheeler
Mother: Eliza Wheeler
Birth Place: Kensal Rise, London, England
Civil Parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: Kensal Rise St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration District: Hendon
Sub-registration District: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1218
Folio: 61
Page Number: 54
Household Schedule Number: 313
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wheeler 51
Eliza Wheeler 46
Florrie Wheeler 16
Elizabeth M Wheeler 6
Frederic Wheeler 4

Name: William Wheeler
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1876
Marriage Place: St James the Great, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Wheeler
Spouse: Eliza Wright
Father: Samuel Wright

Record Transcription:
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We've found the following potential record matches for the same person in other record sets
Reginald S J Moore
Civil Births Record
Hampshire, England
Year of birth: 1919
Reginald S J Moore

First name(s) Reginald Sidney J
Last name Moore
Gender Male
Birth day 3
Birth month 11
Birth year 1919
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1990
District Portsmouth
Register number 490
County Hampshire
Volume 20
Page 888
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

1939

Name: Reginald S Moore
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 3 Nov 1919
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 22
Residence Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Occupation: General labourer Heavy Worker
Line Number: 16
Schedule Number: 198
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: EBEY
Borough: Portsmouth
Registration district: 90/1
Inferred Father:
William A G Moore
Inferred Mother:
Elizabeth M Moore
Household Members Age
William A G Moore
51
Elizabeth M Moore
46
Reginald S Moore 20
Sheila V Moore
5

Name: William A G Moore
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1888
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 22
Residence Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Transil R A O C Heavy Worker
Line Number: 14
Schedule Number: 198
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: EBEY
Borough: Portsmouth
Registration district: 90/1
Inferred Spouse:
Elizabeth M Moore
Inferred Children:
Reginald S Moore
Sheila V Moore

Name: William Alfred Moore
Enlistment Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Place: All Saints Hants
Enlistment Year: 1909
Regiment: Hussars of the Line
Regimental Number: 4385
Attestation Paper: Yes