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MartinHill
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15 Dec 2020 08:49 |
Many thanks for all your help, I will do some more research into Caroline
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ArgyllGran
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13 Dec 2020 16:19 |
Caroline's children ??
Births Mar 1918 (>99%) Walker Richard E Hill Stoke T. 6b 232
Births Jun 1921 (>99%) Walker William H Hill Stoke T. 6b 565
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No, not Richard. He's with his parents Thomas and Emma (nee Hill) in 1939.
Can't be sure about William H. You'd need his birth cert to know definitely.
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13 Dec 2020 16:05 |
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Caroline Walker in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Caroline Walker Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 9 Nov 1883 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 11 Uttoxeter Rd Residence Place: Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England Occupation: Unpaid House Duties Line Number: 13 Schedule Number: 39 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: ONNS Borough: Stoke-on-Trent Registration district: 360/5 Inferred Spouse: Edward Walker Household Members Age Edward Walker 56 - 3/11/1883, shopkeeper, sweets and tobacco Caroline Walker 56 - unpaid house duties.
Deaths Jun 1970 (>99%) WALKER Caroline 9No1883 Stoke/T 9b 1275
Caroline's marriage cert would tell you if George was still alive in 1902 or not.
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ArgyllGran
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13 Dec 2020 15:59 |
Priscilla's death??
Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%) Hill Priscilla 51 Stoke T. 6b 100
Possible marriage for Caroline:
Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%) Greenway Sarah Maria Stoke T. 6b 457 Hill Caroline Stoke T. 6b 457 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Jones Edward Stoke T. 6b 457 Walker John Edward Stoke T. 6b 457
If she married Mr Walker, then maybe this is her in 1911. It doesn't say if this woman was married or not:
Caroline Walker in the 1911 England Census Name: Caroline Walker Age in 1911: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire Civil Parish: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: 41 Whitmore St, Hanley, Stoke On Trent Occupation: Potters sponger Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Registration District Number: 361 Sub-registration District: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Piece: 16534 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Henry Ford 29 Louisa Ford 25 Samuel Edward Ford 1 Caroline Walker 25 - potter's sponger
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malyon
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13 Dec 2020 15:00 |
George Hill England, Staffordshire, Church Records, 1538-1944Name: George Hill Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 24 May 1846 Event Place: Shelton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Shelton, St Mark, Staffordshire, England Parish: St Mark Residence Place: Shelton Age: Full Age Father's Name: William Hill Spouse's Name: Ann Lloyd Spouse's Residence Place: Shelton Spouse's Age: Full Age Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Lloyd Affiliate Image Identifier: D4904/1/17
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malyon
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13 Dec 2020 14:54 |
is this george a widower in 1981
George Hill England and Wales Census, 1881 Name: George Hill Event Type: Census Event Date: 1881 Event Place: Trentham, Staffordshire, England Registration District: Stone Residence Note: Ricardo St Gender: Male Age: 55 Marital Status: Widower Marital Status (Original): Widower Occupation: Gilders Forman (C&8) Birth Year (Estimated): 1826 Birthplace: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Head Page Number: 16 Registration Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 2696/11 Affiliate Record Type: Household Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1881/4315483/00339&parentid=GBC/1881/0012059668 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace George Hill Head Male 55 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Henry Hill Son Male 23 Hanley, Staffordshire, England George Hill Son Male 20 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Agusta Hill Daughter Female 18 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Mary E Hill Daughter Female 16 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Arthur Hill Son Male 11 Dresden, Staffordshire, England
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MartinHill
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13 Dec 2020 13:08 |
Argyl, that's brilliant thanks for all your help. I am currently transferring my bloodline by hand into a journal, I hope im still going to be alive to finish it, this tree just keeps growing. :-D
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ArgyllGran
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13 Dec 2020 12:58 |
No death so far for George, unless not in Stoke reg district:
Possibilities in Staffordshire, bearing in mind that age at death is only as accurate as the informant's belief:
Deaths Dec 1902 (>99%) Hill George 77 Stourbridge 6c 83
Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%) HILL George 82 Ashbourne 7b 471
Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%) Hill George 86 W. Bromwich 6b 419
I haven't checkked any of these out yet.
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ArgyllGran
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13 Dec 2020 12:49 |
Sister Ann's death:
Ann Hassall-wood in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Ann Hassall-wood Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Registration Year: 1903 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 84 Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 139
George and Priscillla's address in 1901: 42 Well Street.
In 1891: 13 John Street.
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MartinHill
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13 Dec 2020 12:43 |
Argyl, thanks, you have just opened a can of worms lol. Iv never found any siblings for George but yes it all seems to fit. You know I have seen this Priscilla before but discarded her for some reason a long time ago.
Can you confirm the address you found for George and Priscilla please and im guessing we still have no date of death for George
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ArgyllGran
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13 Dec 2020 12:27 |
George's brother Joseph, as listed with him in 1901:
Joseph Hill England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Joseph Hill Event Type: Christening Event Date: 15 Oct 1815 Event Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Hanley, Stafford, England Gender: Male Father's Name: William Hill Mother's Name: Sarah
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Anne Hill England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Anne Hill Event Type: Christening Event Date: 7 Jul 1817 Event Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Hanley, Stafford, England Gender: Female Father's Name: William Hill Mother's Name: Sarah
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ArgyllGran
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13 Dec 2020 12:20 |
As Ann died in 1881, perhaps Shirley was correct in posting that census (later deleted) with wife Preecilla/Priscilla. Occupation, YOB, and POB all match:
Posting again :
George Hill in the 1891 England Census Name: George Hill Gender: Male Age: 64 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1827 Spouse: Priscilla Hill Child: Caroline Hill Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent Ecclesiastical parish: Shelton Residence Place: Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Sub registration district: Shelton ED, Institution or Vessel: 4 Neighbors: Piece: 2170 Folio: 83 Household Members: Name Age George Hill 64 - engine man Priscilla Hill 43 Caroline Hill 7 Joseph Hill 75 - brother, Hanley
George Hill in the 1901 England Census Name: George Hill Age: 76 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Preecella Hill Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Hanley Ecclesiastical parish: Hanley St Luke County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Sub-registration District: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: Piece: 2600 Folio: 81 Page Number: 29 Household Schedule Number: 187 Household Members: Name Age George Hill 76 - potter's engine tenter Preecella Hill 52 Caroline Hill 17 Ann Harralwood 83 - sister, widow Joseph Hill 85 - brother, widower
HILL, CAROLINE mmn DALE GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 180
I don't see a Hill/Dale marriage, nor a Hill/Edge marriage.
Priscilla had been married before:
Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) DALE Priscilla Stoke T. 6b 424 EDGE Herbert Stoke T 6b 424
Priscilla Edge in the 1881 England Census Name: Priscilla Edge [Priscilla Dale] Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relationship to Head: Daughter Mother: Emma Dale Gender: Female Where born: Stoke, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: King St. 7 Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Domestic Servant Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Sub registration district: Stoke Upon Trent ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: Piece: 2727 Folio: 65 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Emma Dale 65 Priscilla Edge 29 Thomas Dale 24 Emma Ann Dale 12
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MartinHill
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13 Dec 2020 12:04 |
Thanks Erica, not sure that's going to be him as the family dont move away from that area at that time.
I contacted the City of Stoke on Trent council who have been brilliant in locating unmarked graves for me but they are even struggling with this one.
May be he just walked into the sea :)
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ErikaH
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13 Dec 2020 11:55 |
Shirley
Deleted my post to avoid confusion :-) :-)
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ErikaH
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13 Dec 2020 11:54 |
Posting what I find, with no suggestion as to relevance
Name: George Hill Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Registration Year: 1896 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 71 Registration District: Dudley Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6c Page: 24
Name: George Hill Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Registration Year: 1910 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 86 Registration District: West Bromwich Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 419
Both 'out of area' compared with 1881 census
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MartinHill
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13 Dec 2020 11:49 |
1871 census - 7 Nelson Place, Hanley - Ann passed away here aged 55 after having 8 children. George present at death.
Buried 15/05/1881, Hanley cemetery, block 105, plot 19527. Buried in a paupers grave with none family members. George not in this grave.
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MartinHill
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13 Dec 2020 11:47 |
ErikaH, yes that's him in your last post.
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ErikaH
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13 Dec 2020 11:31 |
1881 in full - for INFO
Name: George Hill Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Ann Hill Gender: Male Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: 7 Nelson Place Marital status: Married Occupation: Engine Tenter Registration District: Stoke Upon Trent Sub registration district: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2718 Folio: 91 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age George Hill 56 Ann Hill 55 William Hill 30 George Hill 6 Sarah Ann Oakley 17
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ArgyllGran
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13 Dec 2020 11:29 |
???
Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%) Hill George 74 Stoke T. 6b 210
EDIT: No, that's a different George Hill, who was born and lived in Burslem, and was buried there:
George Hill in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 Name: George Hill Gender: Male Age: 74 Birth Date: 1826 Burial Date: 22 Mar 1900 Burial Place: St. Paul, Burslem, Staffordshire, England FHL Film Number: 1278931 Reference ID: p 22
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ErikaH
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13 Dec 2020 11:20 |
Which sites have you looked at?
Have you looked at the Staffordshire BMD site?
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/
or the GRO site
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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