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I understand now, thanks AG.

Not necessarily, Deborah.

Ancestry suggests possible links to other records for people, which can be helpful, as often they're correct, but equally often they're not, and always need to be taken with a pinch of salt .

ADDED:
In fact, Alviegal ruled out Mary C Garvey (4 Dec @ 19:00) by posting her death, with married name Findley.

I have been studying all the information you have kindly provided for me, and realised I missed something, or maybe I am just reading it wrong.

Shirley wrote, 4th Dec 12.21 1940 census for Mary C Garvey.

Then the next post, 4 Dec 12.23, says Ancestry does tie her to......

Does this mean that there is a connection between Mary C Garvey and Mary Lanyon, sorry if I am being thick.

Shirley, thank you for the information, what a small world it really is.

It would be nice to find out how Gary relates to us, it would be even better if he is related through Beatrice Martin, because that would mean we have found a living relative.

I will have a closer look at his tree and my cousin is going to contact the vital records office in New York to see if she can find out more about the 1941 marriage.

Deborah
I have had a look but not seeing the names in there


Gary and I are actually connected through the Batchelor side

Arthur Robert batchelor was my mums father and his mum was Esther Matilda Emons
born 1852

Arthur’s sister Esther Jane Batchelor married a Henry Hounslow and they are Gary grandparents on his dads side

Shirley, can you see my tree on Ancestry, its no where complete yet, as I have many names to put in it, but my Ancestry name is either v23deb or Deborah Lynn Dawson. I certainly know the name Ager from somewhere and Batchelor.

I have been concentrating lately on my DNA matches, and following through using common ancestors to find living relatives.

Deborah

My mum Grace . Second daughter of Jessie Batchelor nee Ager was born in 1909 in Hackney

After the 1911 the family moved to charlton in south east London and lived in the same rental house till mum died in1980

Mum took over the tenancy after Nan died in 1958


Hubby and I with our daughter moved to Rainham Kent in 1967 .
I still live in the house we bought as a new build then


It would be great to see if the ager fits in your tree too :-)

Shirley, I will have a look later, just doing dinner, what a coincidence!!!

I haven't got a DNA match with him, but my cousins have, that's just the random way in which the DNA works. My Mum hasn't either, its my maternal line.

For example there are cousins which I have a DNA match with, but (depending on whether its maternal or paternal) my parents may or may not have a match, I've seen it with siblings, that's why they say get as many family members tested as possible.

Anyway, Gary lives in Maidenhead, an area I know well, I used to live in West London, and then Surrey, moved to Worthing 14 years ago. I know Maidenhead well.

The name Ager rings a bell.

Getting back to the point, I think Gary is related through the Lanyon side and not the Garvey side.

Deborah

That’s great about your connection to Gary

I am connected to Gary tree too through my maternal grandfather who married Jessie Ager

His connection to your tree may be through a marriage with in his tree

Good work alviegal, thank you, I have to say I was dubious about that one. That was why I dismissed it a few weeks ago.

That was very kind of you to investigate it further for me.

This is Mary Cecelia Garvey who has been mentioned in a few trees, so it looks like she can be ruled out.

Name: Mary C Findley
Birth Date: 16/04/1919 (16 Apr 1919)

Name: Mary Cecilia
Maiden Name: Garvey
Gender: Female
Residence Place: Quincy
Death Date: 23/06/2011 (23 Jun 2011)
Burial Date: 28/06
Obituary Date: 26/06/2011 (26 Jun 2011)
Obituary Place: Boston Massachusetts United States of America
Spouse:
Joseph H. Findley

Thank you AG, but clutching at straws is all we have at the moment.

Shirley- just as a matter of interest, my cousin's Mum, Beatrice's daughter, has a DNA match with Gary Saunders, so there is defiantly a connection between him and us.

Just grasping at the straw of the name Beatrice Garvey - but almost certainly not the right person. This one is only Garvey by marriage:


Beatrice Gravey
in the 1940 United States Federal Census
Name: Beatrice Gravey [Beatrice Garvey]
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1921
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: New York
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Step Daughter In - Law (Step Daughter-in-law)
Home in 1940: Syracuse Onondaga New York
Map of Home in 1940:
Street: Craig Street
House Number: 315
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Syracuse Onondaga New York
Residence in 1935: Syracuse
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Sheet Number: 5A
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 4th year
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors:
Household Members Age Relationship
Fred J Schlosser 61 Head
Marie Schlosser 51 Wife
John Gravey 25 Stepson - married
James Gravey 21 Stepson - single
Beatrice Gravey 19 Step Daughter In - Law
Patricia A Gravey 5/12 Step Grand - Daughter


Fred John Schlosser
in the New York, U.S., County Marriage Records, 1847-1849, 1907-1936
Name: Fred John Schlosser
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Birth Date: abt 1879
Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1929
Marriage Place: Onondaga, New York, USA
Father: George Schlosser
Mother: Mary Reichert
Spouse: Marie Lena Garvey <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Film Number: 001014370

Marie's maiden name - Schulke.
Father: Joseph Schulke.




Possibly John and Beatrice's marriage ??

John L. Garvey
in the New York State, Marriage Index, 1881-1967
Name: John L. Garvey
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1939
Marriage Place: Central Square, New York, USA
Spouse: Beatrice L. Dreher
Certificate Number: 14727
Records Sharing Certificate Number:
Name
Beatrice L. Dreher
John L. Garvey



John Lawrence Garvey
in the U.S., World War II Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947
Name: John Lawrence Garvey
Race: White
Age: 26
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1914
Birth Place: Syracuse, Onon.
Residence Place: Syracuse, Onon, New York
Registration Date: 16 Oct 1940
Registration Place: Syracuse, New York, USA
Employer: Carrier Corp.
Weight: 150
Complexion: Light
Eye Colour: Blue
Hair Colour: Brown
Height: 5 ft 8
Next of Kin: Beatrice Garvey
Household Members:
Name Relationship
John Lawrence Garvey


John L. Garvey
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: John L. Garvey
Birth Date: 1914
Death Date: 1980
Cemetery: Woodlawn Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Syracuse, Onondaga County, New York, United States of America
Has Bio?: N

We are now wondering if she was born Beatrice Mary Garvey or Mary Beatrice Garvey, then she married someone with the surname Martin, before she married George Lanyon, I did just look for a marriage to a Martin but couldn't find one.

What we would love to find are other family members of Mary/Beatrice who are alive today, we were hoping if we could trace her family from back then, we could then find living relatives.

Hi alviegal, yes that's my cousin, the one I am researching this with. The whole thing has been a bit of a mystery, nothing seems to fit!!

kmccarthy1492 has a tree on ancestry which has a document from The Angel Guardian Home which names Joan's mother as Beatrice Martino born Boston MA in 1918. She lived (blank space) Lanyon in New Jersey for a time then moved to Brooklyn in 1951. She lived with Mr Lanyon (unreadable) ....and and your father until his death in March 1950.

**ur father George Lanyon was born in Wilks-Barre PA .....etc.

The unreadable bit possibly says her husband. I assume 1950 is a mistake as there is also the obituary notice which is 13 March 1958. It mentions George's wife Mary and 3 children, Joseph, Joan and Patricia.

Ok thank you ErikaH

It doesn't - I tried that a couple of hours ago

Hi ErikaH, yes I could see the ref numbers were the same, but I thought if I did a search in 1941 for a marriage for George Lanyon in Massachusetts it would come up with the same reference number as the corresponding entry to Beatrice M Garvey.