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Thank you so much just picked this up again after being ill

Ah!
Fly in the ointment!


??? Looks as if this should be the baptism of the illegitimate child ???
Though if so, why would the birth be registered as Haswell with no mms?


John William Haswell
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: John William Haswell
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 12 Aug 1867
Christening Place: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father: William Haswell
Mother: Jane Haswell


Can't see any such couple in marriages or censuses.

EDIT:

This looks like that child - with parent's surname Watson. Perhaps the baptism record was doctored for respectability?

John Aswell
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John Aswell
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1867
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Civil Parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration District: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Household Schedule Number: 1
Piece: 5080
Folio: 65
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Watson 41
Jane Watson 22
Mary Watson 18
William Watson 6/12
John Aswell 4

Sibling William's birth:

WATSON, WILLIAM mms HASWELL
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 21


Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)
Haswell Jane Newcastle T 10b 243
WATSON William Newcastle T. 10b 243



Jane before marriage:

Jane Haswell
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Jane Haswell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: 1849
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Civil Parish: Monkwearmouth Shore
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Church
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Sunderland
Sub-registration District: Monk Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 128
Piece: 3782
Folio: 61
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Harle 32 - head
James Harle 31 - wife [mistranscription of Tamar ]
Thomas Harle 10
James Harle 4
Dorothy Harle 2
Charles Harle 19
Jane Haswell 12


Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
Harle Thomas Newcastle T 25 378
HASWELL Tamar Newcastle T 25 378


Jane could be another sister of Eleanor Emily, John Emmerson, and the rest.

1851 already posted, but here again for ease:

Jane Haswell
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Jane Haswell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Haswell
Mother's Name: Elen E Haswell
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, All Saints
Civil Parish: Newcastle upon Tyne St Nicholas
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 2g
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 107
Piece: 2406
Folio: 463
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
William Haswell 48
Elen E Haswell 41
William Armsty Haswell 21
James Haswell 14
Elias E Haswell 12
John E Haswell 10
Alex Haswell 7
Margt Haswell 5
Jane Haswell 2


Her sister Tamar has a different mother;

Tamer Haswell
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Tamer Haswell
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 5 Apr 1829
Christening Place: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father: William Haswell
Mother: Mary Haswell <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Jane's father's marriage - which I assume to be his second, although he says he's single:

William Haswell
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: William Haswell
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Nov 1836
Event Place: Monkwearmouth, Durham, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Monk-Wearmouth, Durham, England
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Name: Eleanor Emily Armstrong
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Marital Status: Single



William and Eleanor/Ellen in 1841:

William Haswell
in the 1841 England Census
Name: William Haswell
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Houghton Le Spring
Hundred: Easington (North Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Houghton le Spring
Sub-registration District: Houghton le Spring
Neighbors:
Piece: 312
Book: 7
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Haswell 35
Eleanor Haswell 30
Wm Haswell 10
James Haswell 4
Eleanor Haswell 2

In 1851 the son William is called William Armstrong Haswell, and born before the marriage.

I can't see Eleanor and John William together (or separately for that matter) in 1871.


Probably Eleanor in 1861:

Ellen E Haswell
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Ellen E Haswell
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: 1839
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Coxgreen, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: Elswick St Paul
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration District: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 113
Piece: 3815
Folio: 37
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Georgina Stamp 25
Christian K Temperley 32
Jane Temperley 29
Ellen K Temperley 6
Mary Eva Temperley 5
Georgina Temperley 1/12
Ann Fulton 62
Ellen E Haswell 22

The father of Arthur Wilkinson Haswell 1882 was the brother of the grandmother (Eleanor, who married a Wilkinson) of Arthur 1902.

EDIT: NO, see next post.
His grandmother was Eleanor's sister Jane. (I think!)

There are so many Haswells in the area at the time that it's confusing, but I think that's correct.



Arthur 1902's family in 1901:

Dorothy Haswell
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Dorothy Haswell
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Gateshead
Sub-registration District: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 68
Neighbors:
Piece: 4759
Folio: 119
Page Number: 38
Household Schedule Number: 248
Household Members:
Name Age
Dorothy Haswell 33
William Haswell 15
Nellie Haswell 12
Robert J Haswell 4
Sydney Haswell 3
Norman Haswell 1
William Johnson 67


And 1891:


William Horswell
in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Horswell
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1868
Spouse: Dorothy Horswell
Child: William Horswell
Eleanor Horswell
Birth Place: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: Gateshead, Durham, England
Registration District: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, Institution or Vessel: 25
Neighbors:
Piece: 4179
Folio: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
William Horswell 23
Dorothy Horswell 23
William Horswell 5
Eleanor Horswell 2



Dorothy Johnson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Dorothy Johnson
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Gateshead
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 1059
Records on Page:
Name
John William Haswell
Dorothy Johnson



John Wm. Haswell
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John Wm. Haswell
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 50 Askew Rd
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Metal Moulder Apprentice
Registration District: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 5032
Folio: 118
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Wilkinson 39 - head
Eleanor Emily Wilkinson 40 - wife
Alex. Haswell 36 - brother-in-law, unmarried
John Wm. Haswell 14 - nephew

That's the Wilkinson link in the 1911 Gateshead family.



Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
HASWELL Eleanor Emily Newcastle T. 10b 60
Wilkinson Arthur Newcastle T 10b 60


Eleanor Emily Haswell
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Eleanor Emily Haswell
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Birth Date: 1841
Marriage Date: 1876
Marriage Place: All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father: William Haswell <<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Arthur Wilkinson
FHL Film Number: 1068971
Reference ID: 2:1D494M4


John William's birth - illegitimate:

HASWELL, JOHN WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 82



So I guess Eleanor Emily Haswell was his mother.
[ EDIT: NO, see next post - it looks as if his mother was Eleanor's sister Jane.]

John Emmerson Haswell was Eleanor's brother (and also Jane's - see also next post.).


John E Haswell
in the 1851 England Census
Name: John E Haswell
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Haswell
Mother's Name: Elen E Haswell
Gender: Male
Where born: Codes Green, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Newcastle upon Tyne St Nicholas
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 2g
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 107
Piece: 2406
Folio: 463
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
William Haswell 48
Elen E Haswell 41
William Armsty Haswell 21
James Haswell 14
Elias E Haswell 12 [Eleanor ]
John E Haswell 10 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Alex Haswell 7 lt;
Margt Haswell 5
Jane Haswell 2

It should be entered (if applicable) for "Every person born in a foreign country", per the heading on that column of the form.

Often whoever fills in the form, (William, in the case of the Gateshead family in 1911) doesn't read the heading properly and assumes they have to enter something there even if their family were all born in the UK.


Ancestry's disastrous mistranscription of the Gateshead family in 1911:

Willies Harwell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Willies Harwell
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 40 Lichfield Street Gate Fulford
Occupation: Ironfounder
Registration District: Gateshead
Registration District Number: 557
Sub-registration District: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 30440
Household Members:
Name Age
Willies Harwell 47
William Harwell 25
Syden Harwell 13 [Sydney ]
Dorothy Harwell 46
Ellen Harwell 22 [ Eleanor ]
Thomas Harwell 11 [ Norman ]
Annie Harwell 9 - [Arthur ]
Stocks Hawell 6 [ Stanley]
Dorne Hawell 11 [ Dorothy ]

Does any one know why on 1911 census it says someone is British subject by parontage means never seen it before on a census

John Emmerson Haswell
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name:
John Emmerson Haswell
Event Type:
Death
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year:
1905
Registration District:
Newcastle Upon Tyne
County:
Northumberland
Event Place:
Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Volume:
10B
Affiliate Line Number:
173

Thank you I'm. Still trying to work put if the 2 Arthur's are related as they have same namev

Marriage of the parents of the 1882 Arthur

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
Gowans Maria Newcastle T 10b 21
Hails Margaret Newcastle T 10b 21 <<<<<<<<<<<
Haswell John Emmerson Newcastle T 10b 21 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Leybourne George Newcastle T 10b 21


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Family in 1891 - wrongly transcribed as Hoswell.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stone Street, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John E Hoswell Head Married Male 49 1842 Sawyer Newcastle
Margaret Hoswell Wife Married Female 49 1842 - Newcastle
Alexander Hoswell Son Single Male 22 1869 Plumber Newcastle
Maggie Hoswell Daughter Single Female 15 1876 Assistant Home Newcastle
John E Hoswell Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Newcastle
Elizabeth Hoswell Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Newcastle
Arthur Hoswell Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Newcastle

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
Gowans Maria Newcastle T 10b 21
Hails Margaret Newcastle T 10b 21 xxxxxxxxxxxx
Haswell John Emmerson Newcastle T 10b 21 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Leybourne George Newcastle T 10b 21

Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

75, Mary Street, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Emmerson Haswell Head Married Male 59 1842 Wood Machine Sawyer Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Margaret Haswell Wife Married Female 59 1842 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Alexander Haswell Son Widower Male 32 1869 Craneman Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
John Emmerson Haswell Son Single Male 22 1879 Coal Merchant Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Elizabeth Haswell Daughter Single Female 20 1881 General Servant Domestic Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Arthur Haswell Son Single Male 18 1883 Wood Turners Apprentice Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

Thank you that's fab

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Arthur Wilkinson Haswell
England, Northumberland, Parish Registers, 1538-1950
Name:
Arthur Wilkinson Haswell
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
15 Jul 1914
Event Place:
Elswick, Northumberland, England, United Kingdom
Gender:
Male
Age:
32
Marital Status:
Single
Birth Year (Estimated):
1882
Father's Name:
John Haswell
Spouse's Name:
Mary Adelaide Myers Dodds
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Age:
35
Spouse's Marital Status:
Widowed
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1879
Spouse's Father's Name:
George Myers

Ah right how did you find that out I'm not very good thank you

hails and
johnston

are mothers maiden names

Thank you

this gives more details

Event Date:
1911
Event Place:
Gateshead, Durham, England, United Kingdom
County:
Durham
Parish:
Gateshead
Sub-District:
Gateshead
Sub-District Number:
2
District Number:
557
Enumeration District:
30
Registration District:
Gateshead
Gender:
Male
Age:
9
Number in Family:
7
Birth Year (Estimated):
1902
Birthplace:
Gateshead, Durham
Relationship to Head of Household:
Son
Schedule Type:
234
Page Number:
1
Registration Number:
RG14
Piece/Folio:
467
Affiliate Record Identifier:
GBC/1911/RG14/30440/0467/7
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Haswell Head Male 47 Newcastle, Northumberland
William Haswell Son Male 15 Gateshead, Durham
Sydney Haswell Son Male 13 Gateshead, Durham
Dorothy Haswell Wife Female 46 Durham
Eleanor Haswell Daughter Female 22 Gateshead, Durham
Norman Haswell Son Male 11 Gateshead, Durham
Arthur Haswell Son Male 9 Gateshead, Durham
Stanley Haswell Son Male 6 Gateshead, Durham
Dorothy Haswell Daughter Female 0 Gateshead, Durham

Thanks what does the hails and Johnston mean after their names

Seems to have stayed in the same area


Arthur W Haswell
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: abt 1883
Registration Date: Apr 1955
[May 1955]
[Jun 1955]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 150
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