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ArgyllGran
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28 Oct 2020 18:11 |
You say you have all the info on Elizabeth.
Is her mother Isabella McFadyean/McFadzean/McFadden ?
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ArgyllGran
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28 Oct 2020 18:37 |
For our reference - 1911 for the 1901 family:
James Young in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911 Name: James Young Gender: Male Marital status: Married Age: 67 Birth Year: abt 1844 Birth Place: Antrim Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911 House Number: 19 Townland/Street: White Abbey District: White Abbey County: Antrim Country: Ireland Electoral District: White Abbey Literacy: Read writ Occupation: Garden General Labour Religion: Presbyterian Relationship: Head Name Age Maggie Harrison 1 - boarder James Young 67 Isabella Young 67 Maggie Young 44 - daughter, linen weaver.
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ErikaH
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28 Oct 2020 19:02 |
According to 1911, Isabella was also born Antrim
Young James 67 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Antrim Garden General Labour Read writ - Married - - - - Young Isabella 67 Female Wife Presbyterian Antrim - Read writ - Married - 47 4 4 Young Maggie 44 Female Daughter Presbyterian Antrim Linen Waver Read - Single - - - - Harrison Maggie 1 Female Boarder Presbyterian Antrim - Cannot read -
Ditto 1901
Young Margreat 30 Female Daughter Presbyterian Antrim Linen Waver Read - Not Married - Young Lizzie 16 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Antrim Linen Waver Read and write - Not Married - Young James 55 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Antrim Garden Labourer Read and write - Married - Young Isabella 54 Female Wife Presbyterian Antrim - Read and write - Married
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29 Oct 2020 15:28 |
AG
Unfortunately i dont have her full dob or mothers name I have her MC to John Harrison and the births of 3 children they had
According to her MC she was Elizabeth Davidson Young but on her childrens BC MMN Davidson
So a bit confusing
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ErikaH
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29 Oct 2020 15:42 |
When and where did she marry?
Unfortunately, without her birth cert, you don't have 'full' info on her.
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ErikaH
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29 Oct 2020 15:52 |
LIZZIE - not Elizabeth
Party 1 Name JOHN HARRISON Party 2 Name LIZZIE YOUNG Date of Event 27 June 1908 Group Registration ID 1997840 SR District/Reg Area Belfast
From familysearch Name: Lizzie Davidson Young Event Type: Marriage Event Date: Apr - Jun 1908 Event Place: Belfast, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1908 Registration District: Belfast Volume Number: 1 \Who witnessed the marriage?
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ArgyllGran
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29 Oct 2020 15:58 |
"According to her MC she was Elizabeth Davidson Young but on her childrens BC MMN Davidson"
So was her father named as James Young or James Davidson? Or just James with no surname?
Was she a spinster?
EDIT:
I've just looked it up.
Yes, she was a spinster, and her father was James Young, labourer. Her address at marriage was Whiteabbey, so that must be the correct family in 1911.
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6 Nov 2020 15:32 |
ErikaH & AG
Apologies for late reply
Thanks for all your input Still havent found a marriage for James Young/Isabella Mcfadden OR a birth for Elizabeth
Any more suggestions
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ErikaH
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8 Nov 2020 14:52 |
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
Name LIZZIE YOUNG Date of Birth 1884 Group Registration ID 8410765 SR District/Reg Area Belfast Sex N/R Mother's Birth Surname N/R Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained via the following link.
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ArgyllGran
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8 Nov 2020 15:17 |
Not that birth, Erika - unless all the info we think we've found for the rest of the family is wrong..
Details from image:
Born 24 April 1884 at 12 Weir Street. Father: Edward Young, bricklayer Mother: Lizzie Young, nee Savage.
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ErikaH
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8 Nov 2020 15:39 |
Maybe she wasn't 'Young' at birth.......................'Davidson' must have come from somewhere
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ArgyllGran
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8 Nov 2020 15:48 |
I tried looking for Davidson births a few days ago, but can't find any with mms McFadden or variation.
Nor any marriage of James Young and Isabella.
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8 Nov 2020 16:16 |
ErikaH & AG
The info already given is correct Davidson/Davison is given as MMN for Elizabeth children which i found on irish genealogy site thats the mystery regarding the surname
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ArgyllGran
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8 Nov 2020 17:08 |
We're not doubting that.
Just can't find a reason for it!
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8 Nov 2020 19:21 |
AG Mystery probably won't be solved Thanks for your help
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ArgyllGran
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8 Nov 2020 20:46 |
Just to add -
we've posted the censuses for the Young family in 1871, 1881, 1901, and 1911..
Here they are also in 1861:
James Young in the 1861 Scotland Census Name: James Young Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Isabella Young Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 564/2 Registration District: Greenock East Civil Parish: Greenock East County: Renfrewshire Address: Stanners St 11 Occupation: Labourer Ship Yard ED: 9 Household Schedule Number: 19 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_76 Household Members: Name Age James Young 33 Isabella Young 30 - Ireland Mary Young 5 - Greenock Sarah Young 3 - Greenock Jas Young 7 Mo - Greenock
James Young in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 Name: James Young Gender: Male Birth Date: 5 Sep 1860 Birth Place: Middle OR New Parish,Greenock,Renfrew,Scotland Father: James Young Mother: Isabella Mcfadyen FHL Film Number: 6035516
Mary was born in Ayrshire, per 1871 census, and her baptism was posted earlier. I can't find a baptism for Sarah, nor the birth of a Sarah Young in Greenock c1858.
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9 Nov 2020 13:28 |
Thanks AG
Still not sure about the Scotland Census but looks possible seems James no where to be seen after 1861 census &Isabella dob varies a lot
I wonder where they were in 1891
1901/1911 in Ireland ages vary again
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ArgyllGran
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9 Nov 2020 15:09 |
James senior was presumably away from home, working, in 1871 and 1881. The census only records who was at an address on the night of the census.
The whole family must have been back in Ireland by 1891 , so we won't find them on a census.
Lizzie/Elizabeth was born in Ireland c1885, per 1901 census.
For helpers' reference, in case it's important: John Harrison belonged to Clydebank, or at least that was his place of residence, per the 1908 marriage cert. Father: James Harrison, labourer
ErikaH asked earlier who the witnesses were - James Elliott and Maggie Young (she made her mark).
According to the 1901 census, Maggie/Margaret could read, but not write.
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ArgyllGran
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9 Nov 2020 15:44 |
Looks like the Harrison family in 1911 - do you have this?:
HARRISON ELIZABETH 1911 F 27 574/ 2/ 24 Port Glasgow Renfrew
HARRISON ELIZABETH 1911 F 0 574/ 2/ 24 Port Glasgow Renfrew
HARRISON JOHN 1911 M 25 574/ 2/ 24 Port Glasgow Renfrew
For helpers' reference - the daughter's birth:
SR District/Reg Area - Belfast Birth of ELIZABETH HARRISON on 21 July 1910 Name ELIZABETH HARRISON Date of Birth 21 July 1910 Group Registration ID 819987 SR District/Reg Area Belfast Sex Female Mother's Birth Surname DAVIDSON
Address: Whiteabbey.
Seems they returned to Ireland for the birth of their son:
SR District/Reg Area - Belfast Birth of JAMES HARRISON on 22 September 1911 Name JAMES HARRISON Date of Birth 22 September 1911 Group Registration ID 300262 SR District/Reg Area Belfast Sex Male Mother's Birth Surname DAVIDSON
Address: 144 Boverie Street, Port Glasgow. <<<<<<<<<<
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10 Nov 2020 14:23 |
AG
Yes i have the 1911 census Scotland which is correct
Thanks for the info for James Harrison which is i had no idea he existed only the 3 daughters
I've done some searching & can confirm he died 22 July 1916 age 4 informant James Young
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