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Birth record help needed (possibly Irish)

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Julia

Julia Report 26 Oct 2020 17:39

we have now received the death cert for Martin but its not very helpful I don't think!

date of birth 15th May 1906- Irish Republic
occupation at death metal machinest (retired)
informant Vincent Burke (son)
date of death 15th Nov 1986, Barnsley

greyghost

greyghost Report 25 Oct 2020 13:23

The above register set starts 1872. You can work through by clicking on the Http: in blue and find baptisms for -

Mary 1872 - sponsors Ruth and Honor Connolly
John 1874 - sponsors both McHughs

Sometimes sponsors names can give clues.

Trying to find a connection Nalty, / Goggins / Burke
but nephew could be great nephew and so not an obvious connection

Could this marriage be a link,? Maybe a child of a brother of John

Party 1 Name JOHN BURKE
Party 2 Name ELLEN NALTY
Date of Event 11 June 1897
Group Registration ID 2386450
SR District/Reg Area Tuam
Image

Image shows both of full age
John is a Herd from Tuam, Father Thomas was a Labourer
Ellen from Corofin (same as Patrick when he married). Father Patrick is a Herd
Witnesses - Bernard McHugh and Mary Nalty

They have a son Martin Anthony Burke 16.12.1904 in RD of Tuam, Galway but that would make him Grandson not nephew?



greyghost

greyghost Report 25 Oct 2020 11:50

Another child - No, this is Margaret !!

Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms

First name(s) Mt
Last name Nalty
Birth year -
Baptism year 1879
Baptism date 14 May 1879
Parish Kilmoylan
Alternative parish names Cummer, Kilmoylan and Cummer
Diocese Tuam
County Galway
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) Pat
Father's last name Nalty
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Mother's last name -
Repository
National Library of Ireland
National Library of Ireland register http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632036#page/1/mode/1up
Register Baptism
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Ireland
Transcript Copyright Ancestry.com LLC

witnesses - or Sponsors - Pat and Sara ?Creaner

greyghost

greyghost Report 25 Oct 2020 11:40

Party 1 Name PATRICK NALTY
Party 2 Name CATHERINE GOGGINS
Date of Event 25 February 1868
Group Registration ID 3059965
SR District/Reg Area Tuam
Image

Image shows - Both of full age
Patrick Bachelor a Herd of ?Corofin Cummer. Father MArtin a Herd
Catherine spinster,of? Caheraroola d/o Michael a Herd

witnesses James McHugh and Margaret Goggins

greyghost

greyghost Report 25 Oct 2020 11:36

Name PETER NALTY
Date of Birth 1884
Group Registration ID 10549851
SR District/Reg Area Tuam
Image

Image shows Father Patrick a Farmer and Mother Catherine nee Goggins

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Image of following shows Father Patrick a Herd and Mother Catherine nee Goggins
all Tuam RD

Name MICHAEL NALTY
Date of Birth 1881
Group Registration ID 10834079
Image
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Name JOHN NALTY
Date of Birth 1874
Group Registration ID 8667118
Image

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Name MARGARET NALTY
Date of Birth 1879
Group Registration ID 9265264
Image

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Name ELLEN NALTY
Date of Birth 1869
Group Registration ID 7716363
Image

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Name MARTIN NALTY
Date of Birth 1871
Group Registration ID 11307631
Image
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Name MARY NALTY
Date of Birth 1872
Group Registration ID 10990307
Image
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greyghost

greyghost Report 25 Oct 2020 11:26

1901 census fro the family posted above

Residents of a house 2 in Carrowreagh (Cummer, Galway)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Nalty Patrick 65 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Galway WR Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married -
Nalty Catherine 60 Female Wife Roman Catholic Galway WR - Read and write Irish and English Married -
Nalty John 25 Male Son Roman Catholic Galway WR Shepherd Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
Nalty Margret 21 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Galway WR Seamstress Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
Nalty Peter 16 Male Son Roman Catholic Galway WR Farmers Son Read and write Irish and English Not Married -

Kay????

Kay???? Report 24 Oct 2020 22:37

Residents of a house 1 in Carrowreagh (Cummer, Galway)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Nalty Patrick 74 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Galway Farmer Read and write Irish and English Widower - - - -
Nalty John 30 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Galway Farmers Son Read and write Irish and English Single - - - -
Nalty Michael 23 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Galway Farmers Son Read and write Irish and English Single - - - -
Nalty Peter 21 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Galway Herd Read and write Irish and English Single - - - -
Nalty Margaret 27 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Galway - Read and write Irish and English Single - - - -.

Burke Martin 6 Male Nephew Roman Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write - Single.

A nephew.?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 21:39

Look the births up on irishgenealogy.ie - free to use though you have to register.

The images will give you the fathers' names.

The biirth of the Martin of Breaghwy (in 1911 and 1901 censuses as mentioned above)

DOB: 18 August 1906. - doesn't match the 1939 and death (none of the Martins' births match):
POB: Corratanvally. Breaghwy
Father Patrick, herd


SR District/Reg Area - Castlebar
Birth of MARTIN BOURKE on 18 August 1906
Name MARTIN BOURKE
Date of Birth 18 August 1906
Group Registration ID 396688
SR District/Reg Area Castlebar
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MC TIGUE

Julia

Julia Report 24 Oct 2020 21:09

We have ordered Martins death certificate in the hopes that it will give us some more clues!

Julia

Julia Report 24 Oct 2020 20:59

Thank you everyone, I have literally no idea how I am going to work out which is the correct one but at least its given me a few leads to follow up!

Thank you

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 24 Oct 2020 20:32

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Name: Martin Bourke
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Breaghwy, County Mayo, Ireland
Event Place (Original): Lisgowel (Breaghwy, Mayo), Ireland
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Marital Status: Single
Religion: Roman Catholic
Birth Year (Estimated): 1905
Birthplace: Co Mayo
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Note: -
Affiliate Image Identifier: nai002981636/


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Patrick Bourke Head of Family M 47 Co Mayo
Mary Bourke Wife F 49 Co Mayo
Winifred Bourke Daughter F 12 Co Mayo
Michael Bourke Son M 10 Co Mayo
Mary Bourke Daughter F 8 Co Mayo
Martin Bourke Son M 6 Co Mayo

Household ID: 0000418112


Patrick is a herder and an Agricultural Labourer Shepherd in 1901.

Rose

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Oct 2020 20:03

1901 census - same family as 1911 above

Residents of a house 3 in Bunnaglass (Ballycahalan, Galway)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Burke Patrick 30 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Galway Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married -
Burke Kate 32 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Galway - Read and write Irish and English Married -
Burke Patrick 6 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read only - Not Married -
Burke Mary 4 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read only - Not Married -
Burke Margaret 3 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Galway - Cannot read - Not Married -
Burke Bridget 1 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Galway - Cannot read - Not Married -
Mangan Mary 74 Female Mother in Law Roman Catholic Co Galway Nurse Domestic Servant Cannot read Irish and English Widow -

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Name BRIDGET BURKE
Date of Birth 05 May 1899
Group Registration ID 9730530
SR District/Reg Area Galway
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname GREALISH
Image

From image - Father Patrick of Prospect Hill a Labourer




greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Oct 2020 19:22

2 Galway marriages of Patrick Burke to a Kate, Catherine

This looks possibly to be the one related to the 1911 census posted above (and by safc 23rd @ 1924)

Party 1 Name PATRICK BURKE
Party 2 Name KATE GREALISH
Date of Event 30 March 1895
Group Registration ID 2198873
SR District/Reg Area Galway
Image

Image shows
Patrick age 20 Bachelor a Farmer of Ardganican at marriage. father Michael a Farmer.
Kate 19 a Spinster of Gardenham at marriage. Father Edward a Farmer
MArried in RC chapel of Annadown
witnesses - John Grancy and MArgaret Brown

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This probably the marriage related to the 1911 census posted by safc 23rd @1914

Party 1 Name PATRICK BURKE
Party 2 Name CATHERINE DEELY
Date of Event 18 February 1897
Group Registration ID 2284205
SR District/Reg Area Ballinasloe
Image

Image shows
Patrick of full age BAchelor Carpenter of ?MAckney. Father john a CArpenter
CAtherine full age Spinster of ? Garrguane. Father Martin a ?Herd
Witnesses Thomas Nickson and Mary Deely

Kay????

Kay???? Report 24 Oct 2020 18:11

Residents of a house 3 in Bunnaglass (Ballycahalan, Galway)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Burke Patrick 40 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Galway Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married - - - -
Burke Kate 42 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Galway - Read and write Irish and English Married - 17 7 7
Burke Patrick 16 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Galway Farmers Son Read and write - Single - - - -
Burke Minnie 15 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Galway Farmers Daughter Read and write - Single - - - -
Burke Maggie 14 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Burke Delia 11 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Burke Ellie 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Burke Martin 6 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write - - - - - -
Burke Michael 3 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Galway - Cannot read -

Patrick is a farmer and has sons Martin and Michael.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 11:29

The 1906 Ballinrobe birth suggested by Kath is this one - father William on the image:

SR District/Reg Area - Ballinrobe
Birth of MARTIN BURKE on 26 March 1906
More search options
Name MARTIN BURKE
Date of Birth 26 March 1906
Group Registration ID 297956
SR District/Reg Area Ballinrobe
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname HENEGHAN



Michael was not the same family:

SR District/Reg Area - Ballinrobe
Birth of MICHAEL BURKE on 28 May 1906
Name MICHAEL BURKE
Date of Birth 28 May 1906
Group Registration ID 297822
SR District/Reg Area Ballinrobe
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MALLEY



None of the Martins whose births are on irishgenealogy.ie, 1904-1908, has the same DOB as your Martin (either 15 May 1906 or 15 June 1906.)

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 24 Oct 2020 10:54

There is this birth in Co. Mayo:-

First name(s) Martin
Last name Burke
Registration year 1906
Registered quarter/year Apr - Jun 1906
Registration district Ballinrobe
Volume 4
Page 42
Mother's last name (original) -
County Galway, Mayo
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Ireland

There is also this birth at the same time (although the page numbers are 32 and 42 this could be a mistake):-

First name(s) Michael
Last name Burke
Registration year 1906
Registered quarter/year Apr - Jun 1906
Registration district Ballinrobe
Volume 4
Page 32
Mother's last name (original) -
County Galway, Mayo
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Ireland

Or, if they weren't twins then there is this possible birth for Michael:-

First name(s) Michael
Last name Burke
Registration year 1908
Registered quarter/year Apr - Jun 1908
Registration district Ballinrobe
Volume 4
Page 35
Mother's last name (original) -
County Galway, Mayo
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Ireland

Kath. x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Oct 2020 09:36

None of the Martins whose births are on irishgenealogy.ie, 1904-1908, has the same DOB as your Martin (either 15 May 1906 or 15 June 1906.)

Julia

Julia Report 24 Oct 2020 09:26

So I have now been told that Martin had a brother, possibly a twin named Michael. I would imagine that is the Michael who who was the witness as Martins marriage.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 24 Oct 2020 02:25

Is this related?

Marriages Sep 1951
BOURKE Mary C TONRA Ealing 5e 626
TONRA Patrick J BOURKE Ealing 5e 626

Both born 1923 according to death records.

Rose

Julia

Julia Report 23 Oct 2020 21:01

Trying to find out names of other family members, I will update as soon as I find anything.
Thanks Everyone.