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Hi everone
appreciate some help in finding family after 1891

charles born 1860 and bapt walworth mm bruning
married lucy stanton in 1881 st mary lambeth
Lucy died in 1890

3 chiildren

Lucy Thomas
1883 Walworth married charles patten 1907 - father deceased on marriage record

Ellen Eliza Thomas
1885– Walworth

Charles Edward Thomas
1887– Walworth

Charles shown as a widow in 1891 living i coleworth grove newington.

can find no death for charles or any info on charles edward or ellen eliza after 1891

Fresh eyes appreciated
thank you
maddie

Is this the marriage? Just for INFO

Name: Charles Thomas
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1862
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1881
Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Father: Edward Thomas
Spouse: Lucy Stanley*****************

thats the one :-)

1891 for our reference:

Charles Thomas
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Charles Thomas
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1862
Child: Lucy Thomas
Ellen Thomas
Charles Thomas
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England
Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Residence Place: Newington, London, England
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: St Mary Newington
ED, Institution or Vessel: 19
Neighbors:
Piece: 367
Folio: 130
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Thomas 29 - slater, Lambeth
Lucy Thomas 7 - Lambeth
Ellen Thomas 5 - Newington
Charles Thomas 4 - Newington

Wondering about this one in 1911 - I have checked, and there is no birth in Oxford which would fit


Name: Charles E Thomas
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: OXFORD, Oxford, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Tond, Ravensbourne Park, Catford SE
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Bankers Clerk
Registration District: Lewisham

Or this ??

Charles Thomas
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Charles Thomas
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: WALWORTH, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 41 Tanswell Street, Lower Marsh, Lambeth, London S E
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1911
Occupation: Newsvender
Registration District: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration District: Lambeth Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 1953
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Thomas 23
Jane Thomas 20 - St Giles




Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Connor Jane St.Giles 1b 1065
Thomas Charles St Giles 1b 1065

Hmmm - in 1939 this is that Charles who married Jane Connor - with a daughter Lucy - coincidence or not?:

Charles Thomas
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Charles Thomas
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 24 May 1887
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 6 Clark Bldgs
Residence Place: Holborn, London, England
Occupation: Street Trader General
Line Number: 10
Schedule Number: 173
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: AKON
Borough: Holborn
Registration District: 13-1
Inferred Spouse: Jane Thomas
Inferred Children: Thomas Thomas
Lucy Thomas
Household Members:
Name
Charles Thomas
Jane Thomas
Thomas Thomas - 28 May 1912
Lucy Thomas - 11 Oct 1916



Births Dec 1916 )
Thomas Lucy O'Connor St.Giles 1b 882


Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Thomas Thomas C O'Connor St.Giles 1b 1017


His DOB could fit with Charles Edward's birth reg:

THOMAS, CHARLES EDWARD STANLEY
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 112



Possible death ??

Charles Thomas
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Charles Thomas
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1887
Registration Date: Apr 1952
[May 1952]
[Jun 1952]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Holborn
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 783



But yes, I know the name Edward doesn't appear.

many dropped their middle name so could well fit
his bapt
Charles Edward Thhomas Thomas
Baptism Date
08/06/1887 (8 Jun 1887)
Baptism Place
England Walworth St John the Evangelist Southwark
Father
Charles Thomas
Mother
Lucy Thomas

any luck with Ellen

and thank you

THOMAS, NELLIE ELIZA (MMN) STANLEY
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 97

Name: Nellie Eliza Thomas
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Age: 20
Birth Date: 1887
Marriage Date: 9 Jun 1907
Marriage Place: Southwark, Surrey, England
Father: Charles Thomas
Spouse: Joseph Thomas Collins
FHL Film Number: 384920
Reference ID: p 245, no 489

Did you look for her birth registration?

Always use the GRO site, which include MMN

Name: Joseph Thomas Collins
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1888
Birth Place: Southwark, Surrey, England
Age: 21
Document Year: 1909
Regimental Number: 392
Regiment Name: London Regiment
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
Number of Images: 5
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Joseph Thomas Collins Self (Head)
Ellen Collins Wife

1911

Name: Joseph Thomas Collins
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Wootton St, Cornwall Rd S E
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Printers Assistant
Registration District: Lambeth
Registration District Number: 25
Sub-registration District: Lambeth Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Piece: 1947
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Thomas Collins 23
Ellen Collins 24******************born WALWORTH
Ellen Collins 3
Louisa Collins 0

Name: Louisa Mary Collins
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Aug 1910
Baptism Place: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Father: Joseph Thomas Collins
Mother: Ellen Collins

thanks Erikah
this is her bapt
Ellen Eliza Thomas
Baptism
Baptism Date
15/11/1885 (15 Nov 1885)
Baptism Place
England Walworth St John the Evangelist Southwark
Father
Charles Thomas
Mother
Lucy Thomas

hopes dashed ??

ELLEN ELIZA
Last name THOMAS
Birth year 1888
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Rushby
District Wandsworth


:-(

I posted her birth.................................................see above

She couldn't be registered three years after her baptism ;-)

on this record all 3 children baptised together

Name: Ellen Thomas
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Mar 1891
Baptism Place: Walworth St Mark, Southwark, England
Father: Charles Thomas

ellen born 6/10/85
lucy 20/7/83
charles 24/5/87

registation
THOMAS, LUCY STANLEY
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 403
Mother: Lucy Thomas

THOMAS, CHARLES EDWARD STANLEY
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 112
and ellen / nelly dec q1885

so it all seems to tie up
thank you

You’re welcome

Charles Thomas
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain, England
Country
England
Record set
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
County
London
Year
1910
Birth Year
1862
Age
48
Event Quarter
1
District
Camberwell

than you, may not be him as lucy states on her marriqge in 1907 he is deceased

Unfortunately, image of the sister’s 19-7 marriage isn’t on Ancestry, so can’t check what she said about Charles’ mortality

from ancestry
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932


Name: Lucy Thomas
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1884
Marriage Date: 9 Dec 1907
Marriage Place: St John the Evangelist, Walworth, Southwark, England
Father: Charles Thomas ---- deceased, a slater
Spouse: Charles Patten ----horse keeper
Register Type: Parish Register