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10 Oct 2020 19:14 |
I am trying to trace my grandparents family tree. They were from Grantham lincs. Nellie's mothers maiden name was King and I know we were related to the Parnhams of Ancaster lincs
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ArgyllGran
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10 Oct 2020 19:30 |
What research have you done yourself? No point in giving you information you already have!
Dates, for our reference:
Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%) Bennett Nellie Watson Grantham 7a 1395 Watson George A Bennett Grantham 7a 1395
Births Dec 1914 (>99%) BENNETT Nellie King Grantham 7a 792
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10 Oct 2020 19:42 |
More dates:
Nellie Parnham in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Nellie Parnham [Nellie Watson] Gender: Female Marital status: Married Birth Date: 17 Oct 1914 Residence Year: 1939 Address: Park Farm Cottages Residence Place: West Kesteven, Lincolnshire (Parts of Kesteven), England Occupation: Solders Wife-Evacuee <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Line Number: 32 Schedule Number: 29 Sub Schedule Number: 5 Enumeration District: TJHF Borough: West Kesteven Registration District: 417/1. Household Members: Name William Parnham - 21 Oct 1881 Sarah A Parnham - 8 June 1883 Rachael G Parnham - 18 May 1917 John E Parnham - 4 Nov 1922 Nellie Parnham
Parnham was written as her surname by mistake, and corrected to Watson. As you say there's a family connection with Parnhams, she must have been evacuated to stay with them while George was away in the army.
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11 Oct 2020 09:27 |
Nellie's parents' marriage:
Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%) BENNETT John Francis Spalding 7a 820 KING Emma Spalding 7a 820
John Bennett in the 1911 England Census Name: John Bennett Age in 1911: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Hongington and Belton County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Honington Grantham Marital status: Married Occupation: Waggener (on Farm) Registration District: Grantham Registration District Number: 417 Sub-registration District: Grantham North ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Piece: 19689 Household Members: Name Age John Bennett 30 Emma Bennett 30 Annie Bennett 1 Walter Lord 19 - servant, horseman on farm
BENNETT, ANNIE mms KING GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 449
John's birth:
BENNETT, JOHN FRANCIS mms HODGKIN COLSTERWORTH GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 468
Emma with parents and siblings:
Emma King in the 1891 England Census Name: Emma King Gender: Female Age: 9 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1882 Father: George King Mother: Ann King Birth Place: Baston, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Baston Ecclesiastical parish: St John Residence Place: Baston, Baston, Lincolnshire, England Registration District: Bourn Sub registration district: Deeping ED, Institution or Vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 2558 Folio: 76 Household Members: Name Age George King 50 - Cambridge Ann King 48 - Langtoft, Lincs. John E King 19 Alfred King 16 Caroline King 12 Emma King 9 Sophia King 8 Elizabeth King 2
Her parents' marriage:
Ann Barford in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Ann Barford Registration Year: Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Bourne Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 534 Records on Page: Name Ann Barford George King
Ann Barford's birth:
BARFORD, ANN ELIZABETH mms HICKLING GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in BOURN Volume 14 Page 323
1881 says George was born in Isleham, Cambs; 1871 says Ely, Cambs.
So his birth? KING, GEORGE CASSELDINE mms CUTTRISS GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in ELY UNION Volume 14 Page 53
No immediately obvious Parnham connection on Nellie Bennett's side of the family.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Oct 2020 09:59 |
Re the Parnham family in 1939:
Births Jun 1917 (>99%) Parnham Rachel G Clark Grantham 7a 713
Parents' marriage:
Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%) Parnham William Watson Grantham 7a 1003 Watson Sarah A Parnham Grantham 7a 1003
William in 1891 ???:
William Ruman in the 1891 England Census Name: William Ruman [William Parnham] Gender: Male Age: 10 Relationship: Stepson Birth Year: 1881 Mother: Fanny Clayton Birth Place: Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Wavertree Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Residence Place: Wavertree, Lancashire, England Registration District: West Derby Sub registration district: Wavertree ED, Institution or Vessel: 3 Neighbors: Piece: 3002 Folio: 106 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Clayton 34 Fanny Clayton 34 William Ruman 10 Jane Clayton 9 Charles Clayton 1 - Wavertree, Lancs
CLAYTON, CHARLES mms PARNHAM GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 595
CLAYTON, JANE mms PARNHAM GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in SLEAFORD Volume 07A Page 464
Mother's marriage:
Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%) CLAYTON Joseph Sleaford 7a 632 PARNHAM Fanny Sleaford 7a 632
In which case this would be William's birth - a couple of years out :
PARNHAM, WILLIAM - GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in SLEAFORD Volume 07A Page 458
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ArgyllGran
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11 Oct 2020 10:03 |
Fanny Parnham in the 1881 England Census Name: Fanny Parnham Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship to Head: Daughter Mother: Sarah Parnham Gender: Female Where born: Sleaford Civil Parish: New Quarrington County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: 7 London Road Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Washerwoman Registration District: Sleaford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: Piece: 3223 Folio: 76 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Parnham 60 Fanny Parnham 25 John Parnham 26 William Parnham 1 <<<<<<<<<< Frank Winfield 38 James Doubleday 32
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ArgyllGran
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11 Oct 2020 10:20 |
Going back to William's wife Sarah A Watson;
Sarah Ann Parnham in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Sarah Ann Parnham Death Age: 89 Birth Date: 8 Jun 1883 Registration Date: Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Grantham Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 3b Page: 196
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Sarah A Watson in the 1901 England Census Name: Sarah A Watson Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Relation to Head: Stepdaughter Gender: Female Birth Place: London Thorpe, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Braceby Ecclesiastical parish: Braceby St Margaret Town: Braceby County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration District: Grantham Sub-registration District: Grantham South ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: Piece: 3052 Folio: 9 Page Number: 10 Household Schedule Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Kitchen 46 - widower Sarah A Watson 19
Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%) KITCHEN Joseph Grantham 7a 1147 Watson Alice Grantham 7a 1147
Deaths Sep 1900 (>99%) Kitchen Alice 40 Grantham 7a 285
Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%) HUTHWAITE Alice Grantham 7a 677 WATSON Charles Grantham 7a 677
HUTHWAITE, ALICE mms CHARITY GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 395
Sarah Ann's birth:
WATSON, SARAH ANN mms HUTHWAITE GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 461
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Maddie
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11 Oct 2020 11:53 |
Name: George Alfred Watson Death Age: 69 Birth Date: 17 Oct 1914 Registration Date: Jul 1984 Registration District: Grantham Inferred County: Leicestershire, Lincolnshire Volume: 7 Page: 1346
GEORGE A Last name WATSON Birth year 1914 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Clark District Grantham
HENRY Last name WATSON Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1910
HENRY WATSON married one of these people
Sarah A Clark, Mary E Atter District Grantham District number - County Lincolnshire Country England Volume 7A Volume as transcribed 7A Page number 1091
????? 1911 Census For England & Wales
Cringle Farm Stoke Grantham, South Stoke, Lincolnshire, England lationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Henry Watson Head Married Male 29 1882 Farm Labourer Borderville Nr Stamfordshire Sarah Ann Watson Wife Married Female 27 1884 - Hough on the Hill Lincs William Henry Clark Son - Male 2 1909 - Ryhall Heath Nr Stamford Rutland Svend Clage Sind Boarder Single Male 23 1888 Working On Farm Cattleman Denmark Visitor
10 Manthorpe Road, Grantham, Grantham M.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Kesteven), England 1939 (2 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number William H Clark 24 Jan 1909 Male General Labourer Married 73 1 Ivy Clark 21 Jun 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 73 2
WILLIAM HENRY Last name CLARK Birth year 1909 Birth quarter 1 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Clark District Stamford
WILLIAM H Last name CLARKE Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1935 Registration month -
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WILLIAM H CLARKE married one of these people
Ivy Whitbread Spouse's last name Whitbread District Grantham
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Maddie
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11 Oct 2020 12:36 |
Name: Henry Watson Gender: Male Age: 29 Birth Date: 1881 Marriage Date: 14 Dec 1910 Marriage Place: South Stoke, Lincs, Eng Father: Henry Watson Spouse: Sarah Ann Clark FHL Film Number: 1450485 Reference ID: 2:3VZVB2L
1891 Name: Henry Watson Gender: Male Age: 9 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1882 Father: Henry Watson Mother: Emma Watson Birth Place: Stamford, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Great Casterton Ecclesiastical parish: Great Casterton Residence Place: Great Casterton, Great Casterton, Rutland, England Registration District: Stamford Sub registration district: Stamford ED, Institution or Vessel: 15 Neighbors: Piece: 2553 Folio: 88 Household Members: Name Age Henry Watson 32 Emma Watson 34 John Watson 11 Henry Watson 9 Mathew Watson 6 Harry Watson 3 Harry Munton 17
Name: Henry Watson Gender: Male Age: 21 Birth Date: 1858 Marriage Date: 13 Oct 1879 Marriage Place: Spittlegate, Lincolnshire, England Father: Matthew Watson Spouse: Emma Falkner FHL Film Number: 1542365 Reference ID: p198 rn395
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ArgyllGran
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11 Oct 2020 12:39 |
Susan -
you say, "I know we were related to the Parnhams of Ancaster".
What is the relationship, please?
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Susan
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11 Oct 2020 13:36 |
Rachel was known as Auntie Rachel when we were kids. And I know great grandad parnham was known as pops, He lived with Auntie Rachel just off Dysart Rd, Grantham. Just down from the chip shop. But I'm not sure if it was on Nellie's side or Georges side.
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Susan
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11 Oct 2020 13:50 |
Nellie and George were my Grandparents, my mum was one of there 3 daughters, Elizabeth Ann.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Oct 2020 14:05 |
You say "great grandad parnham".
Do you mean YOUR great grandad? Or Rachel's? What was his first name? Do you mean Rachels father William?
If his name was Parnham, he can't have been the father of either Nellie or George.
Is it possible that the Parnhams weren't related to Nellie and George at all? Maybe Rachel was just an honorary "auntie" because the families became very friendly because of Nellie living with them during the war?
Or maybe the Watson or Bennett families were already friendly with the Parnhams before the war.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Oct 2020 14:15 |
Rachel's marriage:
Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%) Parnham Rachel G Short Grantham 7a 1799 Short Stanley J Parnham Grantham 7a 1799
and death:
Ms Rachel Gertrude Short in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2019 Name: Ms Rachel Gertrude Short Gender: Female Age: 98 Birth Date: 1917 Last Residence: Grantham, Lincolnshire, England Postal Code District: NG31 Death Date: 18 Jun 2015
Her husband died in 1971:
Stanley James Short in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Stanley James Short Death Age: 57 Birth Date: 30 Nov 1913 Registration Date: Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Grantham Inferred County: Lincolnshire Volume: 3b Page: 263
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ErikaH
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11 Oct 2020 16:10 |
The fact that you called someone 'Auntie' doesn't mean she was a relative.
It used to be a way for a child to address an adult with whom his or her parents were very friendly.............less formal than Miss or Mrs, but more polite than using just the first name, as happens nowadays
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11 Oct 2020 19:44 |
and veil, and carried a bouquet of red carnations and gypsophila. She was attended by her stepsisters, the Misses Rachel and Sylvia Parnham, who wore pretty frilled dresses of salmon-pink ray-de-Chene, and blue crinoline hats, with brown shoes, and carried 11 August 1934 - Grantham Journal - Grantham, Lincolnshire, England. . could this possibly be the above wedding/?and the Parnham and Watson connection.?
?Marriages Sep 1934 (>99%) Ashford Harold Watson Grantham 7a 1425 Scan available - click to view. Watson Phyllis Ashford Grantham 7a 1425 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1911 (>99%) Watson Phyllis >>> Clark<<<< Grantham 7a 811.
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ANCASTER accelerated her death. On Sunday morning, quite a gloom overspread the village, when it became Known that young girl named Rachel Parnham had passed away, at the early age of seventeen years. Some time ago, she was attacked with erysipelas, from which she 26 May 1906 - Grantham Journal - Grantham, Lincolnshire, England.
Related.? possibly to older William Parnham ---,,a niece?
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ArgyllGran
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11 Oct 2020 23:46 |
The death mentioned above.
Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%) Parnham Rachel 17 Sleaford 7a 248
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PARNHAM, RACHEL mms DABLE GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 497
That's interesting - when I was looking earlier for William Parnham's birth c1883 (Rachel 1917's father), and eventually decided on the illegitimate birth in Sleaford in 1879 (posted at 09:59), even though it was a bit early, the one I had considered at first was this:
PARNHAM, WILLIAM mms DABLE GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 482
I had dismissed it because I thought his mother was unmarried - but now it looks as if Fanny Parnham wasn't his mother after all. See the post at 09:59.
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11 Oct 2020 23:59 |
Name: Phyllis Ashford Death Age: 86 Birth Date: 19 Nov 1911 Registration Date: Feb 1998 Registration District: Grantham Inferred County: Lincolnshire Register Number: 53 District and Subdistrict: 6161 Entry Number: 251.
Name: Harold Ashford Death Age: 78 Birth Date: 21 Mar 1913 Registration Date: Sep 1991 Registration District: Bedford Inferred County: Bedfordshire Volume: 9 Page: 133
Looks like Phyllis returned to her home town after Harold died. . In 1939 Harold and Phyllis are living in Bedford and where seems they made their home.and dont appear to have had any children,?
Phyllis seems to be the daughter of Sarah Parnham ,formally Watson.maiden name of Clark.!.?
Message , from Susan thanks ---,recalls Phyllis being named by family.so appears the right family.
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ArgyllGran
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12 Oct 2020 00:14 |
Parnham/Dable marriage:
Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%) DABEL Fanny Grantham 7a 691 PARNHAM George Grantham 7a 691
George Parnham in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: George Parnham Gender: Male Marriage Date: 16 Jul 1878 Marriage Place: Ancaster,Lincoln,England Spouse: Fanny Dabel
George Parnham in the 1881 England Census Name: George Parnham Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Fanny Parnham Gender: Male Where born: Ancaster, Lincoln, England Civil Parish: Ancaster County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Registration District: Grantham ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: Piece: 3233 Folio: 124 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age George Parnham 25 Fanny Parnham 20 - Corwland, Lincs. John Parnham 1 Christoph. Pridmore 30 - boarder Sarah E. Pridmore 24 - boarder
PARNHAM, JOHN mms DABLE GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in GRANTHAM Volume 07A Page 491
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12 Oct 2020 08:31 |
Name: Rachel Parnham Gender: Female Age: 2 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1889 Father: Geo Parnham Mother: Fanny Parnham Birth Place: Ancaster, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Ancaster Ecclesiastical parish: Ancaster Residence Place: Ancaster, Ancaster, Lincolnshire, England Registration District: Grantham Sub registration district: Grantham North ED, Institution or Vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2586 Folio: 61 Household Members: Name Age Geo Parnham 34 Fanny Parnham 30 John Parnham 11 William Parnham 8>>>>married Sarah- Watson ---Clark.? Charles Parnham 5 Rachel Parnham 2>>>>>>>>died 1906.
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