Find Ancestors

I am trying to find a birth record and census records for my GGrandmother, born Lillian Edith Knott, 24/3/1877, Westminster, London. I have details of her marriage in 1902 Pimlico to George William Knight where it states her Father was Jack Knott a carpenter.
Thankyou

Births are on freebmd and the GRO site

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Please say where you obtained info about her exact DoB..........and how you know she was born in Westminster if you don't have her birth record or census details

What address did she give when she married?

Who were the witnesses?

A couple of trees on ancestry has this for her in 1939.

62 Victoria Road, Chislehurst, Chislehurst and Sidcup U.D., Kent, England

Knight household
(3 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Lillian E Knight 24 Mar 1880 Female Domestic Unpaid Widowed 351 1
Frederick W Knight 12 Sep 1910 Male Postman Driver Single 351 2
Kathleen L Knight 18 Nov 1919 Female Domestic Single 351 3


24/03/77 has been written above 24/03/80.


This has been given as the 1911 census.



1911 Census For England & Wales

40 Gloucester Mews East Paddington London W, Paddington, London & Middlesex,
George Knight Head Married Male 40 1871 Coachman Domestic London Marylebone
Lillian Knight Wife Married Female 36 1875 - London Westminster
George Knight Son - Male 6 1905 - Kent Lamber Hurst
Arthur Knight Son - Male 5 1906 - Kent Lamber Hurst
Louisa Knight Daughter - Female 3 1908 - London Pimlico
Fredrick Knight Son - Male 0 1911 - London Paddington
Emma Blackman Visitor Widow Female 62 1849 House Keeper Domestic London Chelsea

KNIGHT, FREDERICK WILLIAM KNOTT
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 67

George in 1901 - doesn't help with Lilian, I'm afraid

Rooms in Bayham Stables, Lamberhurst (Kent), Ticehurst, Kent, England
George Knight Head Single Male 30 1871 Coachman Domestic London, Middlesex, England
Caleb Brown Boarder Single Male 28 1873 Groom Domestic Buckinghamshire, England
Fred Way Boarder Single Male 29 1872 Caterer Domestic Ryde, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
Charles Woodrow Boarder Single Male 29 1872 Groom Domestic Honington, Norfolk, England

????

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

50, Aberfeldy Street, Bromley, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England
Learn about this record set
What can I do with this record?
View Image

Lilian M Knott
Census Record
London & Middlesex, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Francis G Knott Head Married Male 37 1844 Ship Joiner(Ashore) Burton, Dorset, England
Sarah A Knott Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Chatham, Kent, England
George F Knott Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Bromley, Middlesex, England
Lillian M Knott Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Bromley, Middlesex, England

Record Transcription:
Kent Marriages And Banns
What can I do with this record?
Add To Tree
Report an Error
First name(s) Francis George
Last name Knott
Age Full
Occupation Carpenter xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Marital status Bachelor
Marriage year 1867
Marriage year 1867
Marriage date 21 Dec 1867
Marriage place Old Brompton, Holy Trinity
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Knott
Father's occupation Coast Guard
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Ann
Spouse's last name Wilstead
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's condition Spinster
Spouse's father's occupation Printers
First witness Amelia Herrington
Second witness George Herrington
County Kent
Country England
Archive Medway Archives
Archive reference P153D/1/6
Register type Marriages
Year range 1865-1870
Page 179
Original record link https://cityark.medway.gov.uk/wwwopacx/wwwopac.ashx?command=getcontent&server=files&value=P153D-01-06(2).pdf
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Following up the Lillian found by safc.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Athol Street, Bromley, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England

Francis G Knott Head Married Male 44 1847 Ship Joiner Burton, Dorset, England
Sarah A Knott Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Chatham, Kent, England
George F Knott Son Single Male 15 1876 Commercial Traveller London, Middlesex, England
Lilian M Knott Daughter Single Female 14 1877 - London, Middlesex, England
Margaret E Knott Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar London, Middlesex, England



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

43, Railway Street, London, Bromley, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England

Sarah Ann Knott Head Widow Female 52 1849 - Chatham, Kent, England
George Francis Knott Son Single Male 26 1875 Housekeeper Poplar, Middlesex, England
????Selina Maud Knott Daughter Single Female 24 1877 Packer Confectionery Poplar, Middlesex, England
Margaret Edith Knott Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Packer Confectionery Poplar, Middlesex, England


looks like Selma Maude to me but this appears to be her birth.


KNOTT, LILIAN MAUDE WILSTEAD
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 663

She appears to get married in 1908 so not Lillian Edith.

Reading the OP's info - the father's name was allegedly JACK

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
Knott Francis George 49 Poplar 1c 550


Jack could just be a nickname, or what he was known as in the family.

There is nobody called specifically Jack Knott in the 1871 or 1881 censuses.

BUT, having said that, Lilian Maude's 1908 marriage seems to rule her out.

Steve -
what was her age stated to be on the marriage cert?


Is this her death?:

Lillian E Knight
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Lillian E Knight
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: abt 1878
Registration Date: Oct 1950
[Nov 1950]
[Dec 1950]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5b
Page: 184

Steve, Can you give the names of the witnesses on the Marriage Certificate?

Steve gave an exact DoB - he has been asked to identify the source, also to say how he knows where she was born, as he is asking for census info as well as birth info

He has also been asked for the names of witnesses, and the woman's address when she married

He has access to Ancestry, as I understand it

On his Ancestry tree, Steve gives his sources for POB and DOB as the 1911 census , and 1939 Register - neither of which are proof.

He also names the 1950 death record already posted, which says she was 72 at death.
If her birthday was indeed in March, that would mean she was born in 1878 - but of course that's not necessarily accurate either.

No, indeed, they aren't proof.

Hence my asking for additonal info

If Steve returns, one can only hope he will supply it.

Ditto on his other thread

That's what I mean - he can't supply proof of DOB or POB.
He's just going by 1911 and 1939.

I was referring to the additional info ;-)

Why people post requests and don’t look for responses always puzzles me...........

Steve has sent a scan of the marriage cert by PM.

Details as follows:

At the Church of St Gabriel, Pimlico.
1st Sept 1902
George William Knight, 29, bachelor, coachman, of 39 Westmorland Street.
Father: Charles Knight, coachman.

Lillian Edith Knott, 25, spinster. No occupation given.
Same address as George.
Father: Jack Knott, carpenter.

Witnesses: Joseph Cornelius Saville and Clara Dingley.


Steve says, " I have tried to find a link with the witnesses but they do not appear to be related, have also tried electoral registers for the given address. "

At 39 Westmoreland Street in 1901 - but I agree, no relation:

Joseph C Saville
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Joseph C Saville
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Rebecca Saville
Birth Place: Littlebury, Essex, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel Warwick Square
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Westmoreland Street
Occupation:
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration District: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors:
Piece: 88
Folio: 134
Page Number: 8
Household Schedule Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph C Saville 44 - plasterer and decorator
Rebecca Saville 39
William G Saville 4


At the same address, but a different household, there's a Pelchey [Petchey]/Bennett family.

Alfred Petchey
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Alfred Petchey
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Fanny Petchey
Birth Place: Stadhampton, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel Warwick Square
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration District: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors:
Piece: 88
Folio: 134
Page Number: 8
Household Schedule Number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Petchey 56
Fanny Petchey 57
Happy Bennett 25 - married daughter
Alfred Petchey 23
Joseph Willm Petchey 20
Alice Petchey 19
George Petchey 16
Fanny Bennett 11/12
Frederick Smith 20 - lodger

In 1911 the Petcheys are living elsewhere.
Maybe they left between the 1901 census and Sept 1902, and perhaps George and Lillian were there then