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Florence in 1939

Name: Rose F Jex
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 20 Aug 1899
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 9 Melba Gdns
Residence Place: Thurrock, Essex, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 3
Schedule Number: 239
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DCMN
Borough: Thurrock
Registration District: 192 1
Inferred Spouse: John F Jex
Inferred Children: Florence V R Jex
Joan S Jex
Household Members:
Name
John F Jex
Rose F Jex
Florence V R Jex
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Joan S Jex

So you can rule out the 1922 birth on freebmd

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Queenie Louise Armstrong
Death Age: 94
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1905
Registration Date: Mar 1999
Registration District: Brentwood
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: A50B
District and Subdistrict: 4661A
Entry Number: 250

1939
11 Feenan Highway, Tilbury, Thurrock U.D., Essex, England
Queenie L Armstrong 24 Mar 1905 Female Scrubber Orient F? Heavy Worker Married 54 1
Lloyd Armstrong 26 Sep 1925 Male School Age Single 54 2

There are only 8 Clark/Brown births in West Ham to end 1922.

They can’t all be to the same parents, so perhaps some of the names will ring bells for you. Check them out on freebmd

yes, that's right.

So she wouldn’t have declared the daughter in 1911, but probably included her in the ‘13’ she spoke about in 1952

Which leaves 6 to account for............

Thank you to you both for having a look at this for me.

Unfortunately you are right that Clark and Brown are common names and I would need to buy certificates to be sure it is the right one. At the moment I'm not able to do that but hopefully in the future.

Grateful for your help.

Maisy

Rose had a daughter in 1891 before she married Clark. Her name was Harriet Jane and I didn't put it on here before because she is actually one of the accounted for children. Rose was working as a domestic servant in Canning Town. she is here on the 1891 census living with her grandparents.

Name: Harriet Ayling
Gender: Female
Age: 4/12
Relationship: Granddaughter
Birth Year: 1890
Birth Place: Leytonstone, Essex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Residence Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Registration District: West Ham
Sub registration district: West Ham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1320
Folio: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ayling 41
Harriet Ayling 39
Jane Ayling 12
Harriet Ayling 4/12

Going back to the missing births -

as Clark and Brown are such common names, unfortunately, unless there are baptisms online giving parent's names, it'll be impossible to know which ones belong to the right family without buying certs to check father's name.

As Rose was interviewed in 1952, you'd have to check deaths up to that date.

And also marriages for her daughters, as such later deaths wouldn't be as Clark.

Name: Rose Sutton
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 2 Feb 1871
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 3 Lansbury Gardens
Residence Place: Thurrock, Essex, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 24
Schedule Number: 231
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DCMJ
Borough: Thurrock
Registration District: 192-1
Inferred Spouse: William J Sutton
Household Members:
Name
William J Sutton
Rose Sutton

This is right.

In 1939 her DOB is incorrectly transcribed as JULY. I have submitted a correction to FMP. It is actually February.

???

CLARK, ALBERT GEORGE 48
GRO Reference: 1923 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 124

So when did Clark die?

Erika she was living in Tilbury, Essex with her 2nd husband William Sutton who she married in 1927.

ArgyllGran - The birth and death for George Arthur Charles Clark.

Florence was born in Sep Qtr 1899 and
Albert was born Oct 1900 so I think it unlikely that the above is one of her children.

Thank you for looking though.

Rose with her unmarrieid mother in 1871??

Rose Brown
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Rose Brown
Age: 2/12
Estimated Birth Year: 1871
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Worthing Sussex England
Civil Parish: Broadwater
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Worthing
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration District: East Preston
Sub-registration District: Worthing
ED, institution, or vessel: 4g
Household Schedule Number: 239
Piece: 1106
Folio: 96
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brown 48
Ann Brown 40
Harriett Brown 19
William Brown 17/12
Rose Brown 2/12
Eliza Willes 70


Then as Ayling in 1881:

Rose Ayling
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Rose Ayling
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Ayling
Mother: Harrett Ayling
Gender: Female
Where born: Worthing, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Claremont St
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 49a
Neighbors:
Piece: 1723
Folio: 130
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ayling 34
Harrett Ayling 25
Rose Ayling 9
Jane Ayling 3


Rose's birth:

BROWN, ROSE -
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 330

Where was she in 1939?

ErikaH - There is no father on Rose's birth certificate.

I can't find a marriage for John Ayling and Harriet Brown and yes they would have married after her birth.

Name: Rosa Ayling
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1872
Birth Place: Worthing, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Finchley
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Residence Place: East Finchley, Finchley, Middlesex, England
Registration District: Barnet
Sub registration district: Finchley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1056
Folio: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest W E Blandford 29
Louisa E Blandford 27
Ethel A Blandford Under 3/12
Rosa Ayling 19

This could be Rose in 1891 as she is a domestic and born in Worthing but just got the name wrong.

Everything you have put on here is right.

She was born Rose Brown then her mother married John Ayling although I've never found the marriage.

Maybe when the registrar asked for mothers maiden name she gave her own mothers name which would be Brown. It has happened on another certificate that I have.

It helps people to help you if you tell us everything you know at the start, rather than piecemeal

I’m assuming now that John Ayling married her mother after Rose was born -is that so?