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oh well ...Ile keep looking :-)

That's a pity!
Unfortunately, with such common names, guesswork is always a gamble.

Gutted!..All of the three certificates which ordered were all wrong.. :-(

Aww ..Thank you anyway ArgllGran ..It's worth knowing Cheers

Mary Ellen is a lot harder to find - maybe impossible.
There are loads of Mary Ellen or Mary E Smith marriages and deaths which could be hers, in and around Manchester area..

Thank you i am just catching up now

Elizabeth married Thomas Broady, as already posted.

Probably her husband's death:

Thomas Broady
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Thomas Broady
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: abt 1860
Registration Date: Apr 1935
[May 1935]
[Jun 1935]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Bucklow
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 269


Just a possibiity for Elizabeth's death:

Deaths Sep 1926 (>99%)
Broady Elizabeth 70 Manchester N. 8d 466

Please could someone help with death's or marriages for Mary e or (A) smith and her sister elizabeth

OMG...Shoot me now :-S WHAT AN UTTER PILOCK I AM...Yes Mary e smith and her sister Elizabeth a are on 1891 census with their sister esther..TWO CERTIFICATES WASTED :-S :-(

Thanks for posting documentary backup.

However, in that case, either LancsBMD or GRO has the wrong name.
Perhaps whoever transcribed from the original handwritten index (viewable on FreeBMD) got mixed up.

She certainly married as Elizabeth Amelia.

As there is no birth record on GRO for Elizabeth Ann (mms Barber) - and no Elizabeth Amelia (mms Barber) on LancsBMD - Elizabeth Amelia's birth cert is the one you would have to buy to prove it one way or the other.

Elizabeth Ann smith with MMN Barber 1854 London road...This is the one i have ;Taken from LANCASHIRE BMD

Copying again what I posted yesterday at 18:07 -


This is the birth record for Samuel's daughter Elizabeth - already posted, but repeating for ease of reference:

SMITH, ELIZABETH AMELIA ( mms BARBER )
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 193

There is NO birth for an Elizabeth Ann Smith in Manchester with mms Barber.

Is this not your Mary Ellen?

1891 6,Beech Street Broughton nr Salford
Edward Harrison
Esther Harrison (nee Smith) ?
Elizabeth Smith 1855 general servant born Ardwick
Mary E Smith 33 envolope maker born Ardwick (she was envolope maker in 1881 with Ann Smith sister)

So if the above is Mary Ellen age 33 how could she have died age 26.


Maryb.

i don't normally pay much attention to the witnesses on a marriage certificate ,but last night i did for some reason and there was an Elizabeth Ann Barber jumping out at me...on my gt grandads Benjamin' Hackett's marriage to Florence Edith Barber in 1902 at Christ Church Salford
I am hoping and wishing that she is Samuel'and Mary's Daughter....i

Erikah,i don't want to be at loggerheads with you...I was just trying to get my head around all this
I sent off for 3 death certificates last night:
Ann smith born 1850, died age 35 Hulme/chorlton
Mary ellen smith age 26 in Chorlton
And this one for the mum:Mary smith b:1828,Reg year1868 age 40 in Chorlton hulme

This is the birth record for Samuel's daughter Elizabeth - already posted, but repeating for ease of reference:

SMITH, ELIZABETH AMELIA ( mms BARBER )
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 193

There is no birth for an Elizabeth Ann Smith in Manchester with mms Barber.


There was an Elizabeth Ann Smith born in Manchester in 1854, but her mms was Loftus.

SMITH, ELIZABETH ANN ( mms LOFTUS )
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 261


London Road is certainly a street in Manchester, but it's also a sub-registration district.

The 1861 census record for Samuel and family, already posted on page 1, is from FMP, and doesn't show the sug-reg district.
Here is the Ancestry version,which does:

Samuel Smith
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Samuel Smith
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Manchester
Sub-registration District: London Road <<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 270
Piece: 2946
Folio: 109
Page Number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Smith 34
Mary Smith 33
Ann Smith 11
Elizabeth A Smith 6
Esther Smith 5
Mary E Smith 3
Emely Smith 1

Their actual address was 1 Homer Street.

Not rude - realistic.
One needs an open mind for this pastime......

I posted a marriage which you didn’t even stop to consider as a possibility..............

Are you still saying that the marriage isn’t your relative?

Ile ignore the rude comment...Which was so uncalled for

The Birth info that i have:is as follows:Elizabeth Ann smith. With mothers maiden name Barber 1854, london road..Which i assume to be correct

Additional info from the 1893 marriage cert

Bride's address: 42, New Zealand Road, Stockport
Deceased father's occupation : Foreman Letterpress printing