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Am looking for any information on this family for an elderly friend. Her parents were Sydney FULLALOVE and Alice Hurst. As a child she - Brenda - was taken by her dad to view the war memorial in Oldham and he said he had 4 brothers/relatives on there. He had joined the ?Territorials himself but was transferred to the newly formed RAF as he was in training to be an engineer. Brenda says he always felt he had cheated death, in that his brothers were killed? I have found Harold, a brother killed in Mesopotamia, and Joseph, killed at Basra. But the one I am trying to find more info on is Frank Fullalove. He was born in 1902 but possibly dies in 1920 in Oldham.I have found some scant war records for a Frank Fullalove, but don't know if it is the same one? on the 1911 census the family were living at Wrigley St Oldham. Frank and Sydney's etc father was Joseph Fullalove who was married to Eliza Wardleworth and they had 15 children in total although typically for the times, many died in infancy/childhood. I have tried to search on line for the inscriptions on the Oldham War memorial but can't find any , so wondered if anyone on here had access to these? And are there any remaining Fullaloves connected to this family out there? Brenda is now 87 and lives near Rivington, Horwich Lancs

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if Frank wasn’t born until 1902, he’s unlikely to have served in WW1.......

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First name(s) Sydney
Last name Fullalove
Birth year 1896
Birth date ? ? 1896
Birth town Oldham
Birth county Lancashire
Occupation Fitter
Attestation year 1916
Attestation date 25 May 1916
Attestation age 20
Service number 47179
Archive reference AIR 79/437
Next of kin first name(s) -
Next of kin last name Fullalove


1939
239 Block Lane, Chadderton, Chadderton U.D., Lancashire, England
Sidney Fullalove 02 Dec 1896 Male General Labourer (Unemployed Married 16 1
William Fullalove 20 Nov 1921 Male Cotton Weaver Single 16 2
Alice Fullalove 28 May 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 16 3
Three closed records

1901

Joseph Fullalove Head Married Male 40 1861 Iron Machine Driller Oldham, Lancashire, England
Eliza Fullalove Wife Married Female 41 1860 - Oldham, Lancashire, England
Bertha Fullalove Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Cotton Velvet Weaver Oldham, Lancashire, England
Harold Fullalove Son Single Male 14 1887 Cotton Piecer Oldham, Lancashire, England
Eliza A Fullalove Daughter Single Female 12 1889 At School Oldham, Lancashire, England
Annie Fullalove Daughter Single Female 11 1890 At School Oldham, Lancashire, England
Agnes Fullalove Daughter Single Female 6 1895 At School Oldham, Lancashire, England
Sidney Fullalove Son Single Male 4 1897 At School Oldham, Lancashire, England
Joseph Fullalove Son Single Male 2 1899 - Oldham, Lancashire, England

1911

Joseph Fullalove Head Married Male 51 1860 Iron Driller Lancashire Gees
Eliza Fullalove Wife Married Female 51 1860 Home Duties Lanc Oldham
Harold Fullalove Son Single Male 24 1887 Spinner Mule Lanc Oldham
Eliza Fullalove Daughter Single Female 22 1889 Twiner Pileer Lanc Oldham
Annie Fullalove Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Twiner Pileer Lanc Oldham
Agnes Fullalove Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Weaver Lanc Oldham
Sydney Fullalove Son - Male 14 1897 Fitter Lanc Oldham
Joseph Fullalove Son - Male 12 1899 School All Day Lanc Oldham
Frank Fullalove Son - Male 8 1903 School All Day Lanc Oldham
Clara Fullalove Daughter - Female 6 1905 School All Day Lanc Oldham

17 children born - 9 deceased

Thanks, I will give that a try shortly. The only reason I put it on here was that Brenda seems to think that 4 brothers names were on the war memorial?She was born in 1933...maybe the four could have contained other family names? I just don't know.

First name(s) FRANK
Last name FULLALOVE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1902
Age 18
Death quarter 4
Death year 1920
District Oldham

Yes I have seen those census reports...pretty depressing reading isn't it? to lose so many children...but sadly a sign of the times as I discovered from my own family tree history :-(

PRIVATE
J FULLALOVE
Service Number: 3514002
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Manchester Regiment
(89933). 2nd Bn.
Died 24 July 1920
Buried or commemorated at
BASRA MEMORIAL
Panel 31 and 64.
Iraq

H FULLALOVE
Service Number: 23848
Regiment & Unit/Ship
King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment
6th Bn.
Died 13 January 1917
Buried or commemorated at
AMARA WAR CEMETERY
XXIII. M. 15.
Iraq

As you will have noted already, there weren't 5 male children alive in 1911

1871

John Whitehead Head - Male 49 1822 - Lancashire, England
Isabella Whitehead Wife - Female 47 1824 - Lancashire, England
John Fullalove Son - Male 22 1849 - Canada
Aaron Fullalove Son - Male 18 1853 - Lancashire, England
Joseph Fullalove Son - Male 9 1862 - Lancashire, England
Edmund Fullalove Son - Male 0 1871 - Lancashire, England

re the death, yes I think it probably is - looking for him all over there are few named Frank! I did find a little war record pertaining to a Frank Fullalove from Oldham, so I did wonder if....and this is a long shot......that he went in either at the end of WW1 as a very young recruit, or went out to Basra like Joseph his brother who was killed in 1920 when all the separation wars were going on, but did he return home injured, and subsequently died from those injuries? That of course just might be my imagination wanting to tidy things up!!!!!! I guess the only thing to do eventually will be to purchase that death cert and see if there is a connection.....

Can't see ANY military info for Frank Fullalove other than one born 1893 in S Wales

Which site did you use to find the info you refer to?

In 1911, the mother said she'd had 17 - however, these are the births per Lancsbmd , which total only 16

FULLALOVE Florence WARDLEWORTH 1879 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/92/389
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Sarah WARDLEWORTH 1881 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/100/173
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Bertha WARDLEWORTH 1882 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/104/87
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Aaron WARDLEWORTH 1884 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/111/105
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Harold WARDLEWORTH 1886 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/116/307
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1890
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Annie WARDLEWORTH 1890 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/129/140
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Isabella WARDLEWORTH 1891 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/132/294
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Esther WARDLEWORTH 1892 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/135/206
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Agnes WARDLEWORTH 1894 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/142/429
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1895
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Mary Jane WARDLEWORTH 1895 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/146/405
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1896
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Sydney WARDLEWORTH 1896 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/150/301
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Joseph WARDLEWORTH 1899 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/157/230
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Aaron WARDLEWORTH 1901 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/163/154
FULLALOVE John WARDLEWORTH 1901 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/163/155
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Frank WARDLEWORTH 1902 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/167/424
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
FULLALOVE Clara WARDLEWORTH 1904 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/173/383

A member named Deborah seems to have some of the names in her GR tree, although by no means all, so not sure how well-informed she is

I found the info on Ancestry.com military pages. Boy but she must have been physically strong to have borne all those babies.....

It doesn't look as if there's an online list of names on Oldham war memorial:

"Due to the enormity of the task this memorial has yet to be transcribed and if it is will probably end up being a searchable database"
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Lancashire/Oldham.html

There are 2688 names on the memorial:
https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/10

Oldham WW2, if of interest:

http://www.oldhamwarmemorial.co.uk/

Ok Thank you, ArgyllGran,it was a long shot but worth trying :-)

If the name of the deceased wasn’t Fullalove, you’d have no way of knowing whether any of the men commemorated was related without first doing a lot of detailed research.

With regard to living relatives, as Sydney was the only male child to survive, any people connected with this specific family would have different surnames, unless any of the girls gave birth to illegitimate sons.

Clara married Milton Wolfenden - then James Broadbent
No children

Agnes married Herbert Liversidge - two sons

1939

Herbert Liversidge 12 Apr 1898 Male Reedmaker For Weaving Lo Married 246 1
Agnes Liversidge 28 Jun 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 246 2
Eric Liversidge 16 Jul 1923 Male Capstan Hand Meter Wor Apprentice Single 246 3
One closed record - son Norman

LIVERSIDGE, NORMAN 1925
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2014 in Blackpool (581-1C) Entry Number 510726920

First name(s) AGNES
Last name LIVERSIDGE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1895
Age 59
Death quarter 2
Death year 1954
District Oldham

Marriages Jun 1947 (>99%)
Brown Ida Liversidge Oldham 10f 126
Liversidge Eric Brown Oldham 10f 126

1939
10 Vine Street, Chadderton, Chadderton U.D., Lancashire, England
Moses Brown 18 Nov 1897 Male Instrument Fitter Married 212 1
Lilian Brown 15 Aug 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 212 2
Ida Liversidge (Brown) 23 Nov 1923 Female Apprentice Raincoat Machine Single 212 3


First name(s) ERIC
Last name LIVERSIDGE
Gender Male
Birth day 16
Birth month 7
Birth year 1923
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1979
District Oldham

First name(s) IDA
Last name LIVERSIDGE
Gender Female
Birth day 23
Birth month 11
Birth year 1923
Death quarter 3
Death year 1998
District Oldham

One son - named after Eric's brother

Thank you for all of this, I can print it and pass it on to Rev Brenda, she will be delighted I know. x

Possibly the 'missing' birth registration, with inaccurate MMN

FULLALOVE Eliza Ann MOLESWORTH 1888 Oldham Above Town Oldham OAT/124/7

FULLALOVE Eliza HOLMES Harry 1914 St Peter, Oldham Oldham CEB/4/475

1939

Harry Holmes 06 Mar 1888 Male Genral Labourer Canten Engineering Married 5 1
Eliza (A) Holmes 07 Aug 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 5 2
Joyce Holmes 20 Jun 1931 Female At School Single 5 3


Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Holmes Eva Fullalove Oldham 8d 989

Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Holmes Joyce Fullalove Oldham 8d 1041

First name(s) JOYCE
Last name HOLMES
Gender Female
Birth day 20
Birth month 6
Birth year 1931
Death quarter 1
Death year 2006
District Oldham
District number 0071D
Register number OD55B

1939
Spinesdale Tuberculosis Sanatorium Moorside, Oldham, Oldham C.B., Lancashire, England
Eva Holmes 03 Jul 1916 Female Shop Assistant-Sweets & Tobacco Single 3 12

First name(s) EVA
Last name HOLMES
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1916
Age 29
Death quarter 3
Death year 1945
District Oldham
County Lancashire
Volume 8D
Page 636

So, no surviving descendants for Eliza


Deaths Dec 1978 (>99%)
HOLMES ELIZA ANN 7AU1888 OLDHAM 39 109

Deaths Mar 1950 (>99%)
Holmes Harry 61 Oldham 10f 50