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Another thread posted today

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1396201

That clinches it, Mary!

William Stanley Nightingale baptised 16/11/1894 in Towcester by Mary Ann Nightingale abode Union Workhouse

Maryb

Amazing - there's so much to go on, thanks guys!!!

We are a lot closer to confirming who Stanley is, William Stanley being prime suspect

Everyone's help is truly appreciated, thank you so much <3

The FMP transcription of 1911, posted earlier by safc, wrongly lists the children Ada, Lily Maud, and Rose May as Wilson.

Ancestry has them correctly as Smith:

Rose May Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Rose May Smith
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 10 Back St, Luton
Registration District: Luton
Registration District Number: 178
Sub-registration District: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 9003
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Roe 51
Mary Ann Smith 42
Gertrude Wilson 31
Annie Ivy Smith 14
Ada Smith 11
Rose May Smith 4
Lilley Maud Smith 0



Mary Ann has had 8 children, of whom 3 have died.

The five survivors are obviously Ada, Lily, Annie and Rose - plus Stanley?

There are a couple of other illegitimate Nightingale births in Towcester -

NIGHTINGALE, FLORENCE LAURA -
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in TOWCESTER Volume 03B Page 16


Death of Florence??

NIGHTINGALE, FLORENCE LAURA 0
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in DAVENTRY Volume 03B Page 68

Can't tell if she's a child of Mary Ann or not.



This one below is NOT one of Mary Ann's children:

NIGHTINGALE, ELSIE REBECCA -
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in TOWCESTER Volume 03B Page 15

She's with her Nightingale grandparents Paul and Sarah in 1901; a boarder in Northampton in 1911, and died unmarried in Northampton in 1972.

Looks spot on AG

???

NIGHTINGALE, WILLIAM STANLEY -
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in TOWCESTER Volume 03B Page 12


NIGHTINGALE, IVY ANNIE -
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in TOWCESTER Volume 03B Page 15

1891 Robert Nightingale

grandson Albert 2 months says he is Edwin 's son Edwin didnt marry until1898

Albert Nightingale born M Qtr 1891 Towchester V03b P 19 no mums name so maybe he is Mary Ann;s son

Albert stays with grandparents until he marries1912 to Mary Elizabeth Maycock
1939 his birth is 31/1/1891

Maryb

I believe he is connected because he lives with the Smiths at Back Street. I found him on the newspaper archive records for that address. Plus 1911 cebsus says Mary Ann had other children who were not present on census day

That's the biggest mystery of all: I don't believe they were officially married, I cannot find any trace. In 1911 she is on the census as Smith and 'completed years of marriage' box shows 10. But by this time she is living with Frederick Roe, plus Stanley is more than 10yrs old by then. Even going back beyond 10yrs I cannot find a matching Nightingale/Smith marriage

Do you think this boy (as he was) is connected to you?

How did you come to pick out the Court records for this particular individual?

For background

Name: Mary Ann Nightingale
Age: 0
Birth Date: Abt 1869
Baptism Date: 3 Sep 1869
Baptism Place: Pattishall, Northamptonshire, England
Father: Robert Nightingale
Mother: Elizabeth Nightingale

1891
Name: Mary Ann Nightingale
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1870
Father: Robert Nightingale
Mother: Elizabeth Nightingale
Birth Place: Pattishall, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Pattishall
Ecclesiastical parish: Pattishall
Residence Place: Pattishall, Pattishall, Northamptonshire, England
Registration District: Towcester
Sub registration district: Towcester
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1188
Folio: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Nightingale 48
Elizabeth Nightingale 52
Mary Ann Nightingale 21
Edwin Rob Nightingale 17
Albert Nightingale 2/12


Name: Mary Ann Smith
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Birth Date: 1870
Marriage Date: 12 Jul 1913
Marriage Place: Luton, Bedford, England
Father: Robert Smith
Spouse: Frederick Rowe
FHL Film Number: 1279160
Reference ID: 131

From the GRO site

SMITH, STANLEY FRANK (MMN) WALLER
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 406
SMITH, STANLEY HERBERT (MMN) WHITE
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 407
SMITH, STANLEY WILLIAM (MMN) STOKES
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 421

When and where do you think Mary Ann Nightingale married Smith?

This is certainly helpful. The case of the stolen cheque could easily be him but it adds confusion to the question of age. Stanley Smith of Back Street was in court in May 1905 accused of stealing spectacles and reported to be 11, but in August 1905 he is in court accused of stealing socks, reported to be 10yrs old.
I am inclined to believe he was born 1894 in Luton (there are 2 other stanleys born a year or 2 before and after but I believe they die early on in life).

Just a suggestion - but as already said, there's more than one Stanley Smith born in Luton around then:

Stanley Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Stanley Smith
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female [Male on image ]
Birth Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Melchbourne and Yelden
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Crowfield, Melchbourne, Sharnbrook
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration District: Bedford
Registration District Number: 174
Sub-registration District: Riseley
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Piece: 8823
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Gale Caress 29
Susan Jane Mace Caress 30
William Henry Caress 4/12
Stanley Smith 14
Edward Duffield 17

??? I know there was more than one Stanley Smith born in Bedfordshire around that time:

Stanley Smith
in the Bedfordshire, England, Petty Sessions, 1854-1915
Name: Stanley Smith
Age: 11
Birth Year: abt 1893
Court Date: 13 Jun 1904
Court Place: Bedford, Bedfordshire, England
Court: Bedford Borough Court
Roles:
Name Role
Stanley Smith Defendant
PC Burkinshaw Informant/Complainant

Larceny of a cheque for £36.0s.2d the property of Cecil W Kaye (?) at the parish of St Paul on the 10th inst.
Convicted and released on probation of good conduct under Sect. 1 of the Probation of First Offenders Act of 1887.

SMITH, ADA ELIZABETH mms NIGHTINGALE
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 417


SMITH, LILY MAUD ROE mms NIGHTINGALE
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 360


SMITH, ROSE MAY -
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 389

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Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Lodging House, 35, Burr Street, Luton, Luton Urban, Bedfordshire, England
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Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Cosby Head Married Male 74 1827 Traveller Leighton, Bedfordshire, England
Mary Cosby Wife Married Female 67 1834 - Leighton, Bedfordshire, England
Annie Cole Boarder - Female 39 1862 - Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Nellie Cole Boarder - Female 16 1885 - Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Emma Cole Boarder - Female 12 1889 - Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Cyril Cole Boarder - Male 8 1893 - Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Alfred Sargent Boarder - Male 64 1837 ? Suffolk, England
Maria Allen Boarder - Female 74 1827 - Markyate, Hertfordshire, England
William Hall Boarder Married Male 70 1831 Labourer Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England
Susan Hall Boarder Married Female 67 1834 - Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England
Frederick Roe Boarder Married Male 40 1861 Labourer Leighton, Bedfordshire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Elizabeth Roe Boarder Married Female 41 1860 - Leighton, Bedfordshire, England
James Smith Boarder Married Male 50 1851 Labourer Northamptonshire, England
Elizabeth Smith Boarder Married Female 34 1867 - Northamptonshire, England
Stanley Smith Boarder - Male 6 1895 - Luton, Bedfordshire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Annie Smith Boarder - Female 3 1898 - Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Ada Smith Boarder - Female 1 1900 - Luton, Bedfordshire, England