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Just looked at 1911 - Thomas George Speed is recorded with wife Louisa and five children, of whom the eldest is 7 years of age

I did look for births White/Bower 1902 to 1908, found none. I found 4 boys White/Davies from 1902 to 1908 in the West derby area.

Is there any reason why I cant find the marriage banns.

Thank you for looking for me ErikaH

You can't find the Banns because no one has yet transcribed them for the internet

Death of the Eleanor White who was with her Davies parents in 1911 -

Eleanor White
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Eleanor White
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1877
Registration Date: Apr 1947[May 1947] [Jun 1947]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 226



Eleanor White
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Eleanor White [ widow ]
Death Date: 13 Jun 1947
Death Place: Liverpool, England
Probate Date: 9 Aug 1947
Probate Registry: Liverpool, England

Address: 18 Saxonia Road, Walton, Liverpool.
Probate to Annie Toby, wife of Reginald Toby [ ie - her sister Annie who married in 1918 ]

The White/Davies boys you found born in the West Derby area were some of the children of Alexander White and Fanny / Frances Davies, who married in Liverpool in 1898, and were living in Wavertree in 1901, and at 20 Sandon Street, Liverpool in 1911.

Thank you ErikaH and ArgyllGran.

Ok AG, thank you, not the right family then, I appreciate you looking for me, I think if I do have the correct marriage for John Hanley White and Eleanor, they didn't have any children. Irrelevant, but John died in a lunatic asylum.

As she left her money to her sister, this could indicate that she did in fact have no children of her own.

She didn't necessarily leave her money to her sister.

Her sister was granted probate, so that she could administer the estate.
You'd have to see the Will to see who was left what.

You can order a copy here:

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=white&yearOfDeath=1947&page=6#calendar


However, my feeling is that she didn't have any children.

Eleanor White
in the Liverpool, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1970
Name: Eleanor White
Residence Year: 1929-1930
Street Address: Saxonia Road 18
Residence Place: Lancashire, England
Electoral District: Liverpool, Kirkdale and Walton

Also living with her are Annie and Reginald Toby.

They're all still at the same address in 1933.


In 1939 there are two closed records with Annie & Reginald at 18 Saxonia Road. I assume Eleanor isn't one of them, as her death should have been picked up by now.


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Eleanor White
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Eleanor White
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1877
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 15 Richmond Terrace
Residence Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Dressmaker
Line Number: 42
Schedule Number: 98
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: NIOI
Borough: Liverpool
Registration district: 455-5
Household Members: 1


Birth:

DAVIES, ELEANOR mmn DALE
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 462

DAVIES, ALICE mmn DALE
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 420

DAVIES, ANNIE mmn DALE
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 404

Thank you AG that's excellent.

I have just ordered the marriage certificate, thank you for all your help again, fingers crossed its the right people.

Which - if either - of the couple do you connect with?

What are you hoping to prove?

John Hanley White is my 1st cousin, 3 times removed. He died in an asylum in 1907.

Just trying to find out if he ever married, for completeness only really, have been working on the "White" ancestors for a few years.

First name(s) John Hanley
Last name White
Birth quarter 2
Birth year 1882
Mother's maiden name Hanley
District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 6
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

This is from a tree on Ancestry...................illustrates perfectly how unreliable they can be

Father John White
Mother Sarah Ann Hanley
Birth Apr 1882 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Death 28 Apr 1907 Rainhill, Lancashire, England
Residence 02 Apr 1911 Kirkdale, Lancashire, England

Which bit is wrong ErikaH, several of my cousins including myself have all that information in our trees, I thought we had researched it all properly, we have been doing it together.

As he died in 1907, he can't be on the census in 1911

I see what you mean, its a completely different family by the look of it.

I will have to tell her, I know who it is, good spot on your part, thank you.