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Herbert Scarr
abt 1886 1914-1920 Blackboy Hill, Western Australia B

also on ancestry with world subcription though.

Thank you Kay for your help in this , I shall certainly visit the Australian Archives.
I shall stop watching this thread now that I have lots of good information to take my search further.
Many, many thanks and Best wishes.

SCARR HERBERT : Service Number - W70710 : Date of birth - 14 Jul 1887 : Place of birth - MIDDLETON ENGLAND : Place of enlistment - BALINGUP WA : Next of Kin - SCARR BESSIE
Contents date range
1939 - 1948
Series number
B884
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Control symbol
W70710
Citation
NAA: B884, W70710
Item barcode
5894653
Location
Canberra
Access status
Open
Date of decision
22 Jun 2020
Physical format
PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)
Records authority class number
1010873
Date registered
18 Sep 2002




Item details for: PP13/1, C15839
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Title
SCARR, Bessie beneficiary of SCARR, Herbert - Service Number - Lieutenant
Contents date range
1923 - 1923
Series number
PP13/1
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Control symbol
C15839
Citation
NAA: PP13/1, C15839
Item barcode
30806325
Location
Perth
Access status
Open
Date of decision
11 Jul 2016
Physical format
PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)
Records authority class number
17692
Date registered
01 Mar 2010

seems Herbert joined the Australian Army or was gov enlisted,--24/1/1916...at Blackboy Hill. WA.

There are 36 pages of detailed Service Records free within online Australian Archives they are worth viewing,,,downloading and printing off,,,,,,,

Herbert was 5ft 9,
Blue Eyes,
Brown Hair,
154 lbs,
NOK was Mother Alice, Scarr of White Moss?Farm Middleton Manchester,

25-5-1918 Bessie Scarr. of Lowes Road,Limefield Bury Lancs became NOK,

I'm sure it states he returned to Australia 1919 with wife and 1 child.on,,Wakehe? -family ship.?

Delighted to have been able to help a little

Stay safe

Wow, thank you ArgyllGran and Erika H, I would never have found any of this information without your help. I am very, very grateful.
My family will be over the moon when I tell them the true story of our relatives that went overseas, not the chinese whispers that I have heard since my youth.
I really am so very grateful to both of you, I don't know how you do it.
I shall mark this entry as stop watching and answered.
Best wishes to you both.

Also in Balingup Cemetery:

Herbert Scarr
Birth unknown
Death 26 Apr 1972
Burial
Balingup Cemetery
Balingup, Donnybrook-Balingup Shire, Western Australia, Australia


Roy Herbert Scarr
Birth 5 Feb 1927
Death 14 May 2000 (aged 73)
Burial
Balingup Cemetery
Balingup, Donnybrook-Balingup Shire, Western Australia, Australia


And Bessie, already posted.

"Miss I Scarr" on the 1924 travel record might be a mis-type of Miss J Scarr, as she seems to have been known as Jean.

Also in Balingup Cemetery are Clive's parents (Jacob and Editih) ; James Frederick Hawter, who died 20 Oct 1971 aged 30; and Frederick Arnold Hawter, died 6 Aug 1973 (can't make out his age from the photo of the gravestone.)

Frederick was a brother of Clive, according to the biography on Findagrave.
No relationship given for James.

Jean Hawter
in the Australia and New Zealand, Find A Grave Index, 1800s-Current
Name: Jean Hawter
Death Date: 25 Jan 1965
Cemetery: Balingup Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Balingup, Donnybrook-Balingup Shire, Western Australia, Australia
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Clive Hector Hawter

Gravestone says:

In loving memory of Jean, beloved wife of Clive Hawter, mother of Jenny and Edgar, died 25th Jan 1965, aged 47 years.

The port for Perth is Fremantle, but the initials don't exactly tally, unless Bessie was recorded as Mrs Herbert Scarr -which was common practice in those times - and the daughter's second forename has been used and mistranscribed



Name
Miss I Scarr
Arrival
30/09/1924 Fremantle Western Australia Australia
Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963

Mrs H Scarr
Arrival
30/09/1924 Fremantle Western Australia Australia

Clive Hector Hawter
in the Australia, World War II Military Service Records, 1939-1945
Name: Clive Hector Hawter
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1913
Birth Place: Donnybrook Western Australia
Year Range: 1939 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Claremont Western Australia
Service Number: WX14792
Next of Kin: Edith Hawter
Series Description: B883: Army, 2nd Al F

I assume this is Alice's husband:

Clive H Hawter
in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Clive H Hawter
Marriage Place: Western Australia
Registration Place: Blackwood, Western Australia
Registration Year: 1947
Registration Number: 16


Clive Hector Hawter
in the Australia and New Zealand, Find A Grave Index, 1800s-Current
Name: Clive Hector Hawter
Death Date: 24 Oct 1987
Cemetery: Balingup Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Balingup, Donnybrook-Balingup Shire, Western Australia, Australia
Has Bio?: N
Father: Jacob Hawter
Mother: Edith May Hawter
Spouse: Jean Hawter



Clive Hector Hawter
in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Clive Hector Hawter
Gender: Male
Electoral Date: 1963
Electoral Place: Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia
Address: "Ratuanda", Mullalyup

He's a nurseryman, with Alice Jean, household duties; Frederick Arnold Hawter, orchardist; and James Frederick Hawter, orchardist.



Other ER entries in Nelson in 1949, 1954, 1958.

???

Name: Mrs Scarr
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 19 Apr 1920
Vessel Name: Orvieto
.......................and a Miss Scarr

EDITED

NOT them - FMP has extra detail, which precludes them

Herbert, Bessie and Alice together in 1943:

Alice Jena Scarr
in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Alice Jena Scarr [Alice Jean on image ]
Gender: Female
Electoral Date: 1943
Electoral Place: Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia

Address: Balingup.

Scar-R
Bessie
1939
Australia Electoral Rolls
Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia

Scar-R
Bessie
1943
Australia Electoral Rolls
Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia

Scar-R
Roy Herbert Lynemore
1949
Australia Electoral Rolls
Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia

Scarr
Herbert
1939
Australia Electoral Rolls
Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia
.
Scarr
Herbert
1943
Australia Electoral Rolls
Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia


Scarr
Herbert
1949
Australia Electoral Rolls
Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia

Thank you , I see my mistake now, it's so easy to go down the wrong route.

Scarr
Alice J
—
—
1947
Western Australia Marriage Index
Australasia
View transcript.
Scarr
Alice Jean
—
—
1943
Australia Electoral Rolls
Nelson, Forrest, Western Australia, Australia

?? No husband's name in this transcription:

Alice J Scarr
in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Alice J Scarr
Marriage Place: Western Australia
Registration Place: Blackwood, Western Australia
Registration Year: 1947
Registration Number: 16

I don't see any travel records on Ancestry for Herbert, Bessie, or Alice (who must have gone with them as they were there by 1925).