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19 Mar 2021 10:58 |
Thanks very much for this.
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ArgyllGran
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27 Jul 2020 23:01 |
Kay posted the baptism of a Frances Priscilla.
She's from a different family:
WILKS, FRANCES PRISCILLA mms HOLMES GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in STRATFORD ON AVON Volume 06D Page 540
Also John Thomas Wilks, baptised 1873, is Frances/Fanny's brother:
WILKS, JOHN THOMAS mms HOLMES GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 760
John Wilks in the 1881 England Census Name: John Wilks Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relationship to Head: Son Father: Thos. Wilks Mother: Charlotte Wilks Gender: Male Where born: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 7 Bk 276 Garrison Lane Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Aston Sub registration district: Deritend ED, institution, or vessel: 58 Neighbors: Piece: 3022 Folio: 76 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Thos. Wilks 39 Charlotte Wilks 38 Annie Wilks 12 Fanny Wilks 10 John Wilks 7 Not Named Wilks
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27 Jul 2020 22:32 |
WILKES, AMELIA ANN mms SODEN GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 890
WILKES, ALICE MAUD MARY mms SODEN GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 807
WILKES, JOSEPH mms SODEN GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 802
WILKES, WILLIAM mms SODEN GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 567
WILKES, ELLEN mms SODEN GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 854
WILKES, BARBER ALICE mms SOWDEN GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in SHIPSTON ON STOUR Volume 06D Page 520
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27 Jul 2020 20:42 |
Check the mmn -on the GRO site.
Look at the 1891 census posted earlier - the England children are listed as son or daughter to John England the Head of the household.
Alice Wilkes aged 19 (so shows as born 1872 not 1863 as per your list) relationship to Head of the household is shown as Daughter in law - another way of saying step daughter.
------------------------------------- 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Ratley, Ratley (Warwick), Banbury, Warwickshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John England Head Married Male 37 1844 Ag Lab Ratley, Warwickshire, England Eliza England Wife Married Female 39 1842 - Long Itchington, Warwickshire, England George England Son Single Male 12 1869 Ag Lab Ratley, Warwickshire, England Ann C England Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Ratley, Warwickshire, England John E England Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Ratley, Warwickshire, England Sarah Ann England Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Ratley, Warwickshire, England Elizabeth England Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Ratley, Warwickshire, England Joseph W England Son Single Male 1 1880 - Ratley, Warwickshire, England
--------------------------- and then there's the death of Eliza. After the England children have been born. She was approx. 10 years younger than Charlotte
Deaths Dec 1886 (>99%) ENGLAND Eliza Jane 44 Banbury 3a 482
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27 Jul 2020 20:14 |
This appears to be John Englands son, George and Thomas Wilkes daughter. Alice on their marriage.
Name: George England Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 27 Dec 1891 Event Place: Ratley, Warwickshire, England Event Place (Original): Ratley, Warwick, England Gender: Male Age: 23 Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 Father's Name: John England Spouse's Name: Alice Maud Mary Wilkes Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Age: 21 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1870
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27 Jul 2020 19:25 |
Record Transcription: Warwickshire Baptisms
First name(s) Mabel Anna Last name England Birth year 1883 Birth date 16 Sep 1883 Baptism year 1883 Baptism date 04 Nov 1883 Denomination Anglican Place Ratley Father's first name(s) John Father's last name England Mother's first name(s) Eliza xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Residence Ratley Father's occupation Labourer County Warwickshire Country England Document type Parish registers Archive Warwickshire County Record Office Archive reference DR0664/1 Event Baptisms Page 28 Records year range 1868-1917 Record set Warwickshire Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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27 Jul 2020 19:20 |
Deaths Dec 1886 (>99%) ENGLAND Eliza Jane 44 Banbury 3a 482
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27 Jul 2020 19:15 |
Name Frances Priscilla Wilks Mother Charlotte Wilks Father Thomas Wilks Baptism 26/01/1870 Combroke Warwickshire England
Name William Wilks Mother Charlotte Wilks Father Thomas Wilks Baptism 03/04/1867 Tysoe Warwickshire England Warwickshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1910
BIRTH, BAPTISM & CHRISTENING View Image Record information. Name John Thomas Wilks Mother Charlotte Wilks Father Thomas Wilks Baptism 04/05/1873 Radford Semele Warwickshire England
Name John Thomas Wilks Mother Charlotte Wilks Father Thomas Wilks Baptism 04/05/1873 Radford Semele Warwickshire England
Mary Ann Wilkes Mother Charlotte Wilkes Father Thomas Wilkes Baptism 05/07/1868 Oxhill Warwickshire England
Name Barbara Alice Wilks Mother Charlotte Wilks Father Thomas Wilks Baptism 05/08/1860 Tysoe Warwickshire England.
These are the only Wilkes baptisms listed on Ancestry for named couple--Thomas and Charlotte in Warwickshire.
I think both John England and Charlotte had children from previous marriages and some names you have listed are not connected.
You have Alice Wilkes born 1863 and William Wilkes born 1863 in different areas,?
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beanie
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27 Jul 2020 18:44 |
So, would people agree on Mel Fairy Godmother's findings that she married twice and had kids from each marriage?
Children I have listed:
- Barbara Alice Wilkes b. 1860 - Tysoe (Warwickshire)
- William Wilkes b. 1863 in Darlaston (Staffordshire)
- Mary Ann Wilkes b. 1868 - Oxhill, Warwickshire
- Joseph Wilkes- 1861 West Bromwich (Staffordshire)
- Alice Wilkes b. 1863 West Bromwich (Staffordshire)
- Amelia Wilkes b. 1877 West Bromwich (Staffordshire)
- George ENGLAND b. 1869, Ratley, Warwickshire
- Elizabeth ENGLAND b. 1877 Ratley, Warwickshire
- Joseph ENGLAND b. 1860, Ratley, Warwickshire
- Mabel ENGLAND b. 1884, Ratley. Warwickshire.
Having a child at 53 years old, in the case of Mabel is, to say the least, a bit of a push and, unless they had very unstable accommodation issues, it seems a bit far fetched?
Thanks and Kind Regards,
Beanie.
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2020 18:44 |
You should perhaps start keeping accurate notes and records of your research, to avoid losing track of what you have found - or has been found for you.
The easiest way to achieve this is to enter findings on to your family tree, with sources in the ‘notes’ section
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safc
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27 Jul 2020 18:34 |
Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field (only fields with a value are shown) Value County Warwickshire Place (Links to more information) Tysoe Church name (Links to more information) St Mary Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register Register entry number 118 Marriage date 02 Oct 1829 Groom forename John Groom surname SODEN Groom parish Tysoe Bride forename Alice Bride surname HARDEMAN Bride parish Tysoe Witness1 William MOLE Witness2 Ann WALKER Notes Groom, Bride & second witness signed `X`. Transcribed by John Prime File line number 119
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27 Jul 2020 18:33 |
Record Transcription: Warwickshire Marriages
Parish Baptisms Record Warwickshire, England Year of birth: 1834 Charlotte Soden Parish Baptisms Record Warwickshire, England Year of birth: 1833 Charlotte Soden Parish Baptisms Record Warwickshire, England Year of birth: 1833 First name(s) Charlotte Last name Soden Sex Female Age Full Marital status spinster Residence Upper Tysoe Marriage year 1855 Marriage date 05 Jun 1855 Denomination Anglican Place Tysoe Spouse's first name(s) Thomas Spouse's last name Wylks Spouse's age Full Spouse's marital status bachelor Spouse's residence Upper Tysoe Spouse's occupation Labourer Father's name John Soden Father's occupation Labourer Spouse's father's name William Wylks Spouse's father's occupation Labourer First witness Richard Soden Second witness Harriet Soden County Warwickshire Country England Document type Parish registers Archive Warwickshire County Record Office Archive reference DR0288/10 Page 65 Record type Marriages Record's year range 1837-1916 Record set Warwickshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2020 18:32 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Ratley, Banbury, Warwickshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John England Head Married Male 46 1845 Agricultural Labourer Ratley, Warwickshire, England Charlotte England Wife Married Female 58 1833 - Warwickshire, England George England Son Single Male 22 1869 Farm Servant Ratley, Warwickshire, England Elizabeth England Daughter - Female 14 1877 Scholar Ratley, Warwickshire, England Joseph England Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Ratley, Warwickshire, England Mabel England Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Ratley, Warwickshire, England Alice Wilkes Daughter In Law Single Female 19 1872 Domestic Servant Staffordshire, England 99%)
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: ENGLAND, MABEL HANNAH HAYNES GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 820
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ENGLAND John Banbury 3a 1325 <<<<<<<<<< HAYNES Eliza J Banbury 3a 1325 <<<<<<<<<< STREETS Sarah A Banbury 3a 1325 Swift George Banbury 3a 1325
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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27 Jul 2020 18:26 |
Second marriage both widow and widower.
Name: Charlotte Wilks Event Type: Marriage Marriage or Bann Date: 31 Jul 1888 Marriage or Bann Place: Ratley, Warwickshire, England Parish: Ratley Search Photos: Search for 'Ratley' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: John England Father: John Goden
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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27 Jul 2020 18:21 |
She married Thmas Wilks as a spinster and he a bachalour.
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2020 18:20 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 8, Parsonage Street, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Wilkes Head Married Male 54 1827 Forge Laborer Warwickshire, England Charlotte Wilkes Wife Married Female 49 1832 - Warwickshire, England William Wilkes Son Single Male 18 1863 Forge Laborer Darlaston, Staffordshire, England Mary A Wilkes Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Oxhill, Warwickshire, England Joseph Wilkes Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Alice Wilkes Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Amelia Wilkes Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
------------------------------------ ??? Name: Age at Death (in years): WILKES, THOMAS 60 GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 515
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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27 Jul 2020 18:18 |
1841
Name: Charlotte Soden Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Gender: Female Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Tysoe Hundred: Kington (Kington Division) County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address:
Registration district: Shipston on Stour Sub-registration district: Halford Neighbors: Piece: 1133 Book: 14 Folio: 29 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age John Soden 40 Allis Soden 45 Joseph Soden 11 Charlotte Soden 8 Richard Soden 6 Harriott Soden 3
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27 Jul 2020 18:16 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Wilkes Head Married Male 34 1827 Labourer Warwickshire, England Charlotte Wilkes Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Warwickshire, England Barbara Alice Wilkes Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Warwickshire, England
----------------------- 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Hall End, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Wilkes Head - Male 49 1822 - Tysoe, Warwickshire, England Charlotte Wilkes Wife - Female 39 1832 - Tysoe, Warwickshire, England William Wilkes Son - Male 8 1863 - Staffordshire, England Mary Ann Wilkes Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Staffordshire, England Joseph Wilkes Son - Male 0 1871 - Staffordshire, England
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: WILKES, JOSEPH SODEN GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 802
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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27 Jul 2020 18:09 |
Baptism
Name: Charlotte Soden Baptism Date: 9 Jun 1833 Baptism Place: Tysoe, Warwickshire, England Parish: Tysoe Search Photos: Search for 'Tysoe' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: John Soden Mother: Alice Soden
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2020 18:09 |
Easy to follow through census etc
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Upper Tysoe, Shipston on Stour, Warwickshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Soden Head Married Male 52 1799 Farmer Labourer Epwell, Oxfordshire, England Alice Soden Wife Married Female 57 1794 - Warwickshire, England Charlotte Soden Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 - Warwickshire, England Richard Soden Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Farmer Labourer Warwickshire, England Harriot Soden Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar Warwickshire, England
With the marriage to Wilks in 1855 as Soden, IF she married a John England it was not as Soden
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