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Thanks for the G R Os Erikah

The barber which is my family are the ones with parents John Barber 1801. and Ann 1797.Their children are John 1826.James 1831.William 1835.(my ancestor) Thomas 1836.Charles 1840.Mary Ann 1821.Mary 1828 and Elizabeth 1830...I think this is the parents marriage John Barber (single) Married Ann Bateman14th june 1821 in Manchester
I cannot seem to trace a john barber being born in 1801 nor can i see any info for Ann being born 1797 :-S
I was starting to think there was a couple of relations thrown in their as it does'nt make sense
I have been unable to trace the family on the 1851 census :-S The parents just seemed to have dissapeard :-S I am thiking that john could have Married twice.This is william Barber's Baptism.4th october 1835 at Manchester Cathedral.Parents John Barber and Mary

so, this is the family you say are yours in 1841? Ages over 15 were meant to be rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census, so John could be anywhere between 40 and 44

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Pump Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Barber Male 40 1801 Lancashire, England ---- Engineer
Ann Barber Female 44 1797 Lancashire, England
John Barber Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England ---- Engineer
James Barber Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England
William Barber Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England
Thomas Barber Male 5 1836 Lancashire, England
Charles Barber Male 1 1840 Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Barber Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England
Mary Barber Female 13 1828 Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Barber Female 11 1830 Lancashire, England

Looks to be 3 of the siblings together as Lodgers - William, Thomas and Charles

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Walkdens Court, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sarah Edwards Head Widowed Female 46 1805 House Keeper Shropshire, England
Thomas Edwards Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Edwards Dau Unmarried Female 0 1851 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Barber Lodger Unmarried Male 15 1836 Piecer In Cotton Factory Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Barber Lodger Unmarried Male 14 1837 Drawing ? Office Manchester, Lancashire, England
Charles Barber Lodger Unmarried Male 11 1840 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England

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Possibly James

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dryden Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Airey Head Married Male 47 1804 Railway Porter Westmorland, England
Sarah Airey Wife Married Female 40 1811 Railway Porter Wife Thurlstone, Yorkshire, England
Joseph Richard Airey Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Scholar Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
William Henry Airey Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Barber Lodger Married Male 20 1831 Mechanic Manchester, Lancashire, England
Betsy Barber Wife Married Female 20 1831 Cotton Factory Manchester, Lancashire, England

Aww Cheers greyghost...Look's to be a possible :-)

If John and Ann in 1841 are the couple who married in 1821 as you suggest - they are clearly still together in 1841 (assuming that's the same couple).

Therefore, IF the family in 1841 is your family, then the William who was baptised in 1835 with parents John and Mary can't be your William.

How have you worked back to William, please? If you haven't found him in 1851, what is the furthest back record you have of him definitely with provable relatives?
(That's not a typo for "probable" - I do mean "provable" !)

What makes you think that the William baptised in 1835 is your William?
There don't seem to be baptism records for any of the other 1841 children.

Who did William marry, please? I assume that's where you found the name John for his father. What was his father's ooccupation - engineer/mechanic/similar?

Ancestry does suggest that that 1841 census is the right one for Elizabeth Barber who married John Bowman - but Ancestry's not necessarily correct, and you would need her marriage cert to be sure she's the same Elizabeth, unless you have other proof.


ADDED:
If this is the birth of Charles who appears in the 1841 census, then Ann in 1841 isn't Ann Bateman, who was a spinster at marriage :

BARBER, CHARLES mms HARVEY
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 626

That's the only Charles Barber born in Manchester or Salford 1837-1841.

His parents had an earlier child, in 1839, also named Charles, who died in infancy.

Re the 1841 census - which may or may not be the correct one -
this looks like Charles's marriage:

Charles Barber
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Charles Barber
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1839
Marriage Date: 19 Sep 1863
Marriage Place: Manchester, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father: John Barber, mechanic <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Elizabeth Walker
Reference Number: GB127.M403/4/3

One of the witnesses is Thomas Barber, presumably his brother.

Marriage 8th january 1882.Stowell Memorial Salford
William Barber age 43,occupation "Smith" Widower of 25 Katherine street salford
Married Jane henshall age 38 "Widow" of 25 Katherin street salford
Grooms father ,John barber (Deceacd),Mechanic
Brides fatherJames henshall Deceaced) Tailor
Witneses :Henry mason and mary mason

Williams marriage before the one above was to Emma Hayes
William was away in the Army during 1861-1871 (Regiment light dragoons) Queens own...Yes the above is correct info for Charles
:-) :-)

This is William Barber's first marriage:
Ancoates,St Andrew,20th November 1854
william barber age 19,bachelor mechanic :Father John barber Mechanic. Married Emma Hayer age 18, spinster,father william hayer
Witness:Samuel smith and mary smith

Samuel smith pops up a lot at times i think he has some connection to the barbers

Thanks greyghost for that 51 and 41 yes correct :-)

i found this:William Barber,son of John Barber and Mary,Manchester st marys Baptism date 4th oct 1835

Thanks for the additional info.
Yes, you're right, with father a mechanic, that's likely to be the correct family.

I don't see any marriage of John Barber and an Ann Harvey - but so far back not every record survives.

Well, there's this one - but if the transcription's correct, it says John's American, and it's in Liverpool:

John Barber
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: John Barber
Name Note: Gun Maker
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 Nov 1825
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Unknown
Ethnicity: American
Race: W
Spouse's Name: Ann Harvey
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Race: W
Spouse's Race (Original): W


ADDED:
Actually, the image (on page 179 of the link from FS) doesn't say anything about ethnicity, so I think that's a transcription mistake.

The bride and groom each made their mark.
The witnesses are Elizabeth Harvey (her mark) and William Broomhead.

from what i can remember from what i found last night Thomas barber also with mother Mary...and now ive misplaced it :-S

Please could some-one help with marriages/Deaths for the two Mary's...
Mary Ann Barber 1821
Mary Barber 1828

Oh i forgot to add that i Have William Barber's Death certificate for 1897 in salford,His brother Thomas was the informant

Why not look for possible marriages yourself using freebmd initially.

Check following census for the right couples and / or the gro site for births inputting surname and mmn to determine the couples

Also check the lancsopc and / or lancsbmd which should show the "couples"

The gro site will also give you an age at death to help determine if it's the right person.

Somewhere along the line you might have to buy a certificate or two.

Lancsbmd will give you deaths and lancsopc burials

Good afternoon everyone..I have info for all as of now but stuck with John barber who was born 1826c
Please could you help..Many thanks Gwen

'Stuck' in what way, please?

Have you looked for info yourself, and if so, where?

Put the followiing in your favourites and make use of them - they're invaluable

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

I am coming along a treat now Thank s so much :-)

I have not asked for a look-up for james on this thread