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It doesn’t say MISS Kelly, but as the child was illegitimate, it is obvious that the mother wasn’t married.

And the GRO index has MMN on the records from day one (July 1837), as the info is on certs from that date.

Please note

I misunderstood I thought it was because it was an early one and they didn't have to put the MMN on ? Where did it say Miss Kelly for future reference

As Erika said a couple of posts ago, if there is no mmn, it means it was an illegitimate birth, and the child has the mother's maiden surname -

i.e. -
the mother of Annie 1888 was a Miss Kelly.
and the same for John Alfred.

I saw Annie 1888 Chorlton No MMN

I'm thinking I'm going to have to get a certificate but It's which one to get we have

Mary with MMN Fox ,
Annie 1888 J Quarter No MMN Not sure on
John Their is one 1882 but it's John Alfred M Quarter Manchester no MMN

I think we've done as much as we can trying to determine who the mother really is

As already said, I couldn't find a common mms for the children in either 1891 or 1901 censuses - IF either or both are the correct family.

I found Mary with mms Fox - but no Catherine, John or Annie with mms Fox - nor with any other common mms, assuming ages as given in the censuses +/-2 .

There's this birth - but wrong place:

KELLY, JOHN mms FOX
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in LEEDS Volume 09B Page 426

and this - but wrong place and too early:

KELLY, ANNIE mms FOX
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 458

OND 1882 is too late for John if his age is correct on censuses
And the MMN is Carroll as per GRO

No MMN on GRO means illegitimate

Annie GRO 1888 Apr-may-Jun No MMN Chorlton

Yes I've got that for Catherine Fox
The births I have for Catherine's siblings
England and Wales Free BMD index
John 1882 Oct-Nov- Dec Lancashire Manchester
Annie 1888 Jul-Aug- Sept
and the GRO for Mary

I do know that John Catherine Annie and Mary where siblings
info got from a relation bit older than me related to Mary, and I know about Annie as she went to Canada and I remember coming to see us I referred to her as Auntie Annie from Canada

Interesting twist

Catherine Fox's parents

Name: John Fox
Birth Year: abt 1830
Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1851
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Patrick Fox
Spouse's name: Ann Kelly
Spouse's Father's Name: Patrick Kelly
Archive Roll: 720


FOX, CATHERINE (MMN) KELLY
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 180

FOX, BRIDGET KELLY
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 179

FOX, PATRICK KELLY
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 161

KELLY, MARY (MMN) FOX
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 256

You say you've found a birth for her sibling.............details, please.

The ages given for Catherine fluctuate, so the 1939 DoB cannot be taken as fact.

She was recorded as 81 when she died in 1966 - birth 1885 She was supposedly 7 years old in 1891 - birth no later than 1st qtr 1884. In 1911 she was 23 - birth 1887/8

So, totally unreliable as regards to age and birth year

You asked about 1901 census I have her as a Patient aged 15 Royal Infirmary Manchester doesn't help

this is what I deleted

1907 Marriage 9 Low, Chatham Street Chorlton upon Medlock

Once again I'm so sorry my lap top has a mind of it's own some times I never use those on here
So what are you saying I've got to get my grans birth certificate? if so which one as we can't find one for her , 1939 says birth 28 July 1886?
Can't understand why we can't find one I've found for her sibling ? not on GRO though

Thank you - thought it wasn't your 'style' ;-)

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Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

11, Lower Chatham Street, South Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Kelly Head Married Male 37 1864 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Catherine Kelly Wife Married Female 36 1865 Living On Own Means Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Kelly Son Single Male 19 1882 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Kelly Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

So sorry don't know how that got on there I'll delete

The 1882 cert is not actually relevant until you establish who Catherine's mother was

Why the rude emoji?

That won't encourage people to try to help you

These are the only births for the name in the qtr matching her DoB on 1939

KELLY, CATHERINE KENNEALY
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 359
KELLY, CATHERINE MURPHY
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in DEWSBURY Volume 09B Page 604
KELLY, CATHERINE RYAN
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 135
KELLY, CATHERINE TIERNEY
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 745
KELLY, CATHERINE EMMA COLEMAN
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 653

What does she say about her father on this?

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
Jones Sidney Turner Chorlton 8c 2500
Turner Catherine Jones Chorlton 8c 2500

You haven't given us the address from the 1907 cert.

The earlier cert may be totally irrelevant, as you haven't yet found out the maiden name of Catherine's mother