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Thank you Erica ,just putting all the pieces together now you have sent me.regards Sandra

1911 Census For England & Wales
4 Arthur Street Fleetwood, Fleetwood, Lancashire, England

Martha Annie Porritt Wife Married Female 21 1890 - Lancs Fleetwood
Christopher Porritt Son - Male 0 1911 - Lancs Fleetwood
Emma Robinson Sister Single Female 15 1896 - Lancs Fleetwood

Dear all, have you got a 1911 Censor to where Martha was living ,she was then martha Porritt then as married Christopher in 1910 ,I have a feeling they may have lived in Arthur street fylde,on this censor ,many thanks Sandra

Following-on from AG's excellent 'find'

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
GILL James 32 1848 London Road Archives+, Manchester Central Library LRD/24/281

Probable birth of William Robinson, aged 4 in 1851 census with Matthew and Jane:

GILL, WILLIAM mms MURRAY
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 742

Possible first marriage for Jane ???

Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%)
GILL James Manchester 20 541
MORRIE Jane Manchester 20 541


Jane Morrie
in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)
Name: Jane Morrie
Marriage Date: 26 Jun 1843
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: William Morrie - labourer
Spouse's name: James Gill - shoemaker
Spouse's Father's Name: Currer Gill - farmer
Archive Roll: 709

Births of the children in 1861 census ??

ROBINSON, MATTHEW mms MORRI
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 114


ROBINSON, EDWIN mms MURRAY
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 383

ROBINSON, MARY JANE mms MURRAY
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 22 Page 213

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ROBINSON, ELIZABETH mms MURRAY
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in KINGSTON UPON HULL Volume 09D Page 156

ROBINSON, EMMA mms MURRAY
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 151

ROBINSON, ESTHER mms MURRAY
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 303

ViewManchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)

Name: Jane Gill -------------WIDOW
[Jane Morris]
Birth Year: abt 1826
Marriage Date: 4 Feb 1850
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: William Morris - Bookkeeper
Spouse's name: Matthews Robinson
Spouse's Father's Name: Matthew Robinson

So the MMN of GILL on Esther's birth is not strictly accurate

BUT.......can't see a previous marriage

1851

Name: Mathew Robinson
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: British Colomes
Civil Parish: Elland with Greetland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Elland
ED, institution, or vessel: 1i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 2299
Folio: 174
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Mathew Robinson 25
Jane Robinson 25
Mary Jane Robinson 4 Mo
William Robinson 4

Assuming Sowerby Bridge to be correct - although as Erika says, you need the marriage cert to be 100% sure:

Edwin Robinson
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Edwin Robinson
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: Matthew Robinson
Mother's name: Jane Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sowerby Bridge, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Newton Heath
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 2966
Folio: 44
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Robinson 35
Jane Robinson 35
Mary Jane Robinson 10
Edwin Robinson 9
Elizabeth Robinson 7
Emma Robinson 5
Matthew Robinson 2
Esther Robinson 2/12



Edwin Robinson
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Edwin Robinson
Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 28 Mar 1852
Baptism Date: 18 Apr 1852
Baptism Place: Sowerby Bridge, Christ Church, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Sowerby Bridge, Christ Church
Father: Matthew Robinson
Mother: Jane Robinson

Thank you Erika and aArgyllGran for the info much appreciated ,iwill go though the names now see if I can find any of the matches in other trees now and message them to see if we have a link regards sandra

For whatever it's worth, 1911 census agrees with 1901 re Edwin's birthplace:

Edwin Robinson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edwin Robinson
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Fleetwood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 56 Blakiston St East Fleetwood Lancashire
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Engineer On Terry Steamer Boat Engine Driver
Registration district: Fylde
Registration District Number: 477
Sub-registration district: Fleetwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 25457
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Robinson 59
Sarah Robinson 54
Mary Gertrude Sillis 18
Herbert Robinson 13
Agnes Robinson 31




1871 and 1881 agree with 1891;

Edwin Robinson
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Edwin Robinson
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: 1852
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Sorbg Bridge Yorkshire England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 4030
Folio: 153
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Robinson 46
Jane Robinson 46
Edwin Robinson 19 - card grinder
Elizabeth Robinson 17
Emma Robinson 14
Matthew Robinson 17
Esther Robinson 10



Edwin Robinson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Edwin Robinson
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Sowerby Bridge, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: North Meols
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 65 Poulton Rd
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Labour Loc (L&Yr) (O/S Rly)
Registration district: Ormskirk
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 3748
Folio: 44
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Robinson 28
Sarah Robinson 23
Sarah J. Robinson 2



The child Sarah's birth:

ROBINSON, SARAH JANE mms HAMES
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 779

POSSIBLE for Edwin - birthplace Sowerby Bridge as per 1891

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Elm Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matthew Robinson Head - Male 46 1825 - Ireland
Jane Robinson Wife - Female 46 1825 - Lancashire, England
Edwin Robinson Son - Male 19 1852 - Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Robinson Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Yorkshire, England
Emma Robinson Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Lancashire, England
Matthew Robinson Son - Male 12 1859 - Lancashire, England
Esther Robinson Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Lancashire, England

ROBINSON Esther GILL 1861 Newton Archives+, Manchester Central Library NEW/22/90

GILL Jane ROBINSON Matthew 1850 Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/75/221
MORRI Jane ROBINSON Matthew 1850 Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/75/221
ROBINSON Matthew GILL Jane 1850 Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/75/221
ROBINSON Matthew MORRI Jane 1850 Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Archives+, Manchester Central Library CATH/75/221

Thank you erika for the info much appreciated ,iwill go though the names now see if I can find any of the matches in other trees now and message them to see if we have a link regards sandra

As Edwin's birthplace info differs on the census records I've posted, the marriage cert will serve a dual purpose.

ROBINSON Martha Annie PORRITT Christopher 1910 Fleetwood, Wesley Church Preston F4/2/5

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Shaw Hill, Melksham, Wiltshire, England

name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Laura Hams Mother Widow Female 69 1792 Part Labourer Corsham, Wiltshire, England
Sophia Hams Daughter Unmarried Female 29 1832 - Melksham, Wiltshire, England
Sarah Hams Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Melksham, Wiltshire, England
James Webb ... Unmarried Male 19 1842 Labourer -

Looks like Sarah was illegitimate - IF the above record is her

You'll need to purchase copy marriage cert for verification

yes, birth from the FREE to all GRO site confirms it

HAMS, SARAH -
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in MELKSHAM Volume 05A Page 106

Marriages Mar 1878 (>99%)
HAMES Sarah Ormskirk 8b 945
Robinson Edwin Ormskirk 8b 945

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
ROBINSON William HAMES 1881 Poulton-le-Fylde Blackpool PLF/42/90
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
ROBINSON Ernest HAMES 1884 Poulton-le-Fylde Blackpool PLF/47/62
Total records matching : 2.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Seymour Street, Thornton, Fylde, Lancashire, England

Edwin Robinson Head - Male 38 1853 Goods Porter Sowerby Bridge, Yorkshire, England
Sarah Robinson Wife Married Female 33 1858 - North Newnton, Wiltshire, England
William Robinson Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Ernest Robinson Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
George E Robinson Son - Male 4 1887 - Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Martha A Robinson Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Fleetwood, Lancashire, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
37, Kent Street, Fleetwood, Fylde, Lancashire, England

name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edwin Robinson Head Married Male 49 1852 Steam Ships Engine Driver Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah Robinson Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Hilcott, Wiltshire, England
Martha A Robinson Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Mary G Robinson Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Emma Robinson Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Fleetwood, Lancashire, England
Herbert Robinson Son - Male 3 1898 - Fleetwood, Lancashire, England