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John Banks born in Magull Liverpool 1864 ,I always believed and it may be so he married to Sarah Ann Dutton wed in 17th Aug 1883 until I came across 1911 census and he is living with Mea Charlotte ? with name Banks saying he has been married to her 28 yrs which is 1883 ? His parents Robert Banks and Ellen Rothwell ...Sarah died if I am correct in 1901 so did they just put down married for that length ? I know 1911 census is correct ans My nan John's Daughter Elizabeth Murray is on there married to my granddad James Murray , do not know why he has Henry in front of his name as it is not correct. :-S

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MS Joh Banks
in the 1911 England Census
Name: MS Joh Banks
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Maghull, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Walton on the Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 16 Kingswood Avenue Aintree Walton Liverpool
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Caster
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Piece: 22359
Household Members:
Name Age
MS Joh Banks 49 [ Mr John Banks on image ]
Mea Charlette Banks 34 [ Mrs Charlotte Banks on image ]
Robert Banks 23 - brother
Eliza Ellen Banks 20 - sister
Mayie Banks 15 - sister
Ada Banks 7 - sister
John Banks 3/12 - brother
Annie Banks 18 - sister
Henry James Munay 22 - son-in-law
Elizth Ellen Munay 20 - wife [of son-in-law]


All the info re length of marriage has been firmly scored out.

Married 28 years, 6 children born alive, 6 still living, one died (?).


Elizabeth's birth:

BANKS, ELIZABETH ELLEN mms DUTTON
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 447

Surely the relationships in 1911 are wrong?

John seems to made a bit of a mess of filling in the form.

Apart from the marriage details which have been scored out, it looks like Elizabeth has been listed twice - once as Eliza Ellen Banks, and again as Eliz'th Ellen Murray.

The Murrays have been added in darker ink than all the Banks names.


All the children listed as brother or sister, are actually sons and daughters.


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BANKS, ADA mms BARRETT
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 538

BANKS, JOHN ROBERT mms BARRETT
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 1030



BANKS, ANNIE mms DUTTON
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 453


So John did indeed marry Sarah Dutton, but at some point took up with Charlotte Barrett.

Sarah Ann Dutton
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Sarah Ann Dutton
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1883
Marriage Place: St. Mary'S, Kirkdale, Lancaster, England
Father: Thomas Brayton Dutton
Spouse: John Banks


Sarah A Dutton
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah A Dutton
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: 1865
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead Cheshire England
Civil Parish: Coppenhall Monks
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Crewe
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 3709
Folio: 88
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas B Dutton 32
Elizabeth Dutton 35
Thomas S Dutton 10
Sarah A Dutton 6
Mary E Dutton 4
Frank D Dutton 1


Sarah A Banks
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Sarah A Banks
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1865
Spouse: John Banks
Child: Robert T Banks
Elizabeth E Banks
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Walton on the Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: Walton on the Hill, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Walton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 45
Neighbors:
Piece: 2978
Folio: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
John Banks 27
Sarah A Banks 26
Robert T Banks 3
Elizabeth E Banks 3/12


Mixed-up households in 1901 - though not apparently on the image:

Sarah Annb Anks
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sarah Annb Anks
[Sarah Ann Banks]
[Sarah Bannb Banks]
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Mother
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors:
Piece: 3478
Folio: 103
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 100a
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Wareing 36 - head
Mary Wareing 36 - wife
Esther Wareing 4 - daughter
Elizabeth Wareing 3 - daughter
Sarah Ann Wareing 6/12 - daughter
Albert Williams 11 - stepson
Margaret Williams 9 - step-daughter
Sarah Annb Anks 36 - mother, married
Mary Anks 4 - daughter
Marion Anks 1 - daughter
Samuel Jas Dutton 15 -nephew


BANKS, MARION mms DUTTON
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 431

BANKS, MARY mms DUTTON
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 319

John and most of his children are with his mother in 1901:

Elizabeth Banks
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Banks
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Walton on the Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors:
Piece: 3451
Folio: 81
Page Number: 30
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Banks 60 - head
John Banks 36 - son
Alice Banks 21 - daughter
Ellen Banks 17 - grand-daughter
Robert Banks 13 - grandson
Elizabeth Banks 10 - grand-daughter
Annie Banks 8 - grand-daughter
Maggie Banks 6 - grand-daughter
Henry Bridge 26 - boarder


My guess is that John and Sarah's marriage had broken up by 1901, and then he took up with Charlotte Barrett - though didn't marry her.

I have these census's but the 1911 census threw it all out and yes the family in 1911 are his children not siblings , Thanks for clearing up Marion , with that being my mother's name , sounds right , was coming up as Magie but I thought Marie which is short for Marion, 1911 census has Elizabeth down as single and married , odd and James Murray has no Henry in his name as in 1911 census, bit of a mess...

Did John marry Charlotte or is this untrue as I can not find a marriage...!911 census.

As I said before, my guess is that John and Sarah's marriage had broken up by 1901, and then he took up with Charlotte Barrett - though didn't marry her.

No sign of a marriage.
Charlotte will just be listed as "wife" in 1911 for respectability, and because they were living together as husband and wife, with children.

"Magie" (born c1896) on 1911 census is more likely to be Marion's sister Mary, born 1897 - see on 1901 census (with Sarah) posted above.


EDIT:

Or no, she can't be - unless both parents have listed her as being with them:

Here are both Marion and Mary in 1911 with Sarah:

Sarah Ann Banks
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Sarah Ann Banks
Age in 1911: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 152 Towson St
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Charwoman
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Piece: 22506
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Ann Banks 46
Mary Banks 13
Marion Banks 11
Sammile Banks 6
Minnie Banks 2


BANKS, SAMUEL EDWIN mms DUTTON
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 503

BANKS, MINNIE WHARTON mms DUTTON
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 488



Ada 1904 and John 1911, with John in 1911, were born outside mariage, as he wasn't married to Charlotte..
But so must Samuel 1904 and Minnie 1908 be (with Sarah in 1911) - unless John was flitting between two women.

"Magie" is this child:

BANKS, SARAH MARGARET mms DUTTON
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 336


Sarah Margaret Banks
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Sarah Margaret Banks
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 15 Aug 1895
Birth Place: St Mary's Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: John Banks
Mother: Sarah Ann
FHL Film Number: 1545934


She's listed as Maggie on the 1901 census with John.