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5 May 2020 12:52 |
She had another child:
Name: Pamela Rose Event Type: Census Event Date: 1900 Event Place: Easton city Ward 8, Northampton, Pennsylvania, United States Event Place (Original): ED 133 Easton city Ward 8, Northampton, Pennsylvania, United States Gender: Female Age: 40 Marital Status: Married Race: White Number of Living Children: 2 Birth Date: Sep 1860 Birthplace: England Marriage Year (Estimated): 1883 Immigration Year: 1891 Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Mother of how many children: 2 Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Wife Sheet Letter: A Sheet Number: 6 Digital Folder Number: 004115151 Record Number: 44857
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace William Rose Head M 45 England Pamela Rose Wife F 40 England Samuel Rose Son M 16 England Pamela A Rose Daughter F 1 Pennsylvania
District: 133 Sheet Number and Letter: 6A Household ID: 129 Line Number: 19 Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) Affiliate Publication Number: T623 GS Film Number: 1241447 Digital Folder Number: 004115151 Image Number: 00918 Indexing Project (Batch) Number: N00710-3
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5 May 2020 12:44 |
Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
First name(s) Pemala Last name Shepley Gender Female Age 31 Birth year 1861 Marital status S Occupation SPIN Departure year 1892 Departure day 28 Departure month 7 Departure port Liverpool Destination port Boston Destination BOSTON State Massachusetts Ship name Catalonia Ship master's last name ATKIN Ship master's title CAPT Ship destination port BOSTON Ship destination country USA
Travelling with 7 year old Samuel Shepley.
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malyon
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5 May 2020 12:39 |
or this might be pamelia's death father samuel mother hannah
Pamela Shepley Rose Massachusetts Deaths, 1841-1915 Tools
Name: Pamela Shepley Rose • Edit Event Type: Death Event Date: 08 Oct 1900 • View/Edit Event Place: New Bedford, Massachusetts • Edit Gender: Female Age: 40 Age: 40y 27d Age: 40 years 27 days Marital Status: Married Occupation: Housewife Birth Year (Estimated): 1860 Birthplace: England Burial Place: New Bedford Father's Name: Samuel Shepley • Edit Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Name: Hannah Lindley • Edit Mother's Birthplace: England Spouse's Name: William Source Reference: Shepley Rose, Pamela, 1900 Digital Folder Number: 004289811 Record Number: 360 Record Number: 360
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malyon
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5 May 2020 12:29 |
the sons marriage
Pamelia Shepley mentioned in the record of Samuel Fern Tools
Name: Pamelia Shepley Sex: Female Husband: John Son: Samuel Fern Other information in the record of Samuel Fern from Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915 Name: Samuel Fern Name Note: Mill Operative Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Oct 1902 Event Place: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts, United States Event Place (Original): New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts, United States Gender: Male Age: 23 Birth Year (Estimated): 1879 Birthplace: England, United Kingdom Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Pamelia Shepley Spouse's Name: Sarah D.h. Douglas Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Age: 23 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1879 Spouse's Father's Name: Alexander Spouse's Mother's Name: Sarah Ezlintrol Record Number: 134
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malyon
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5 May 2020 12:19 |
could this be pamelia using her maiden name father samuel
Pamelia Shepley Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915 Tools
Name: William Rose Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 28 Nov 1892 Event Place: New Bedford, Bristol, Massachusetts, United States Gender: Male Age: 38 Marital Status: Single Birth Year (Estimated): 1854 Birthplace: England, United Kingdom Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Mary Wright Spouse's Name: Pamelia Shepley Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Age: 32 Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1860 Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Spouse's Mother's Name: Mary Record Number: 135
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malyon
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5 May 2020 12:10 |
not finding her death or remarriage could she have immagrated
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1066ronnie
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5 May 2020 10:25 |
Thank you Malyron,
the only problem i see there is the surname is Fern not Ferns !!!
to be honest i'm more interested in Pamelia Ferns nee Shepley who i believe was John Ferns first wife, but all help is greatly appreciated
Ron
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SylviaInCanada
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5 May 2020 03:33 |
and the mother's maiden name is Shepley, if you look at the GRO Index
FERNS, SAMUEL mmn SHEPLEY GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 515
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malyon
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4 May 2020 23:41 |
Samuel Ferns England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008 Name: Samuel Ferns Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration Year: 1885 Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne County: Lancashire Event Place: Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England Volume: 8D Page: 515 Affiliate Line Number: 150
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malyon
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4 May 2020 23:24 |
Samuel Fern England, Manchester, Parish Registers, 1603-1910 Name: Samuel Fern Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 Jun 1907 Event Place: St James, Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England Gender: Male Marital Status: Widowed Father's Name: John Fern Spouse's Name: Sarah Jane Vickers Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Father's Name: William Vickers Record Number: 4240
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1066ronnie
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4 May 2020 21:54 |
Yes Sylvialn
Have Samuel Born 1885 was thinking that could be only option John married Catherine in 1894
The plot thickens...
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1066ronnie
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4 May 2020 21:35 |
ErikaH I have found 3 sisters and 3 brothers for Pamelia, but, not Deaths, Sorry should'n't have put ? over the date of marriage to John Ferns
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SylviaInCanada
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4 May 2020 21:24 |
Father's name is the same in both marriage records.
Maybe John and Pamela split up, no divorce, he found a new spouse, married in another diocese and said he was a bachelor.
He lied, but that was not unusual back then when only very wealthy people could get divorced.
Have you found Samuel Ferris b 1885?
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ErikaH
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4 May 2020 19:17 |
You put a query mark after the year of the marriage, which, in my experience, usually indicates uncertainty
Don’t rule out the later marriage without getting proof.
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4 May 2020 18:50 |
Record Transcription: Lancashire Banns & Marriages
First name(s) John Last name Ferns Age 34 Birth year 1860 Occupation Labourer Marital status Bachelor Year 1894 Marriage year 1894 Marriage date 17 Feb 1894 Place Everton, St Chrysostom Denomination Church Of England Diocese Liverpool Residence 4 Hodson's Place Father's first name(s) George Father's last name Ferns Father's occupation Bricklayer Spouse's first name(s) Catherine Spouse's last name Jenkins Spouse's age 39 Spouse's birth year 1855 Spouse's marital status Spinster Spouse's residence 4 Hodson's Place Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Jenkins Spouse's father's occupation Boiler Maker Witness 1 Mary Jones Witness 2 Mary Hetherington County Lancashire Country England Archive Liverpool Record Office Archive reference 283-CHY-3-5 Register type Marriages Register year range 1893-1900 Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
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1066ronnie
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4 May 2020 18:34 |
Thanks for the info Kath
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KathleenBell
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4 May 2020 18:00 |
On the 1911 census where John Fern(s) is a patient he is in the District Infirmary, Ashton-under-Lyne.
The Infirmary is now part of a group of hospitals that make up Tameside General Hospital.
Kath. x
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1066ronnie
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4 May 2020 17:00 |
Hi ErikaH In my original post I mentioned I had found the marriage, I must confess I didn't have John's parents, that I will look into this evening..
I wonder why John is living with his mother, I do not think the marriage to Catherine would be correct.
I wonder Maddie why if it is him where was he a Patient.in 1911 more mystery
Thanks for all help
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4 May 2020 14:47 |
1911 Census For England & Wales
Ashton-Under-Lyne, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
First name(s) John Last name Ferns Relationship Patient Marital status Married Sex Male Age 47 Birth year 1864 Birth place Cheshire Stalybridge Occupation Hawker House name - House number - Street - Address Ashton-Under-Lyne Parish Ashton under Lyne County Lancashire Country England Archive reference RG14 Registration district Ashton under Lyne Registration district number 468 Enumeration district 28
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ErikaH
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4 May 2020 14:14 |
In 1911, Pamela's parents say they have had 9 children, of whom 3 have died. Have you found the births and deaths?
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