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It looks like Thomas remarried after Harriet died......he gives his Father's name as Samuel Lees, so perhaps he was illegitimate? According to the Parish Marriage Register both Thomas and Sarah were Widowed.

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Sutton
Age 56
Birth year 1824
Marriage year 1880
Marriage date 19 Sep 1880
Marriage place Kidsgrove, St Thomas
Marital Status Widower
Occupation Forge Man
Denomination Anglican
Residence Kidsgrove
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Father's last name Lees
Occupation Machine Man
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Cope
Spouse's age 67
Marital Status Widow
Spouse's residence Kidsgrove
Spouse's father's first name(s) Daniel
Spouse's father's last name Mayor
Occupation Labourer
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D5539/1/4
Page 74
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

This is I believe is Thomas & Harriet's Marriage......Thomas used the surname Lees

Marriages Sep 1855
CLARE Harriet Wolstanton 6b 100
LEES Thomas Wolstanton 6b 100

Thomas & Harriet Marriage

First name(s) Harriet
Last name Clare
Age Full
Marriage year 1855
Marriage date 14 Jul 1855
Marriage place Burslem, St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Residence Brownhills
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Clare
Occupation Collier
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's last name Lees
Spouse's age Full
Occupation Forgeman
Spouse's residence Sytch
Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel
Spouse's father's last name Lees
Occupation Collier
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D1428/1/10
Page 249
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

1841 Census?
Kiln Croft, Burslem , Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Samuel Lees Male 45 1796 Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Lees Female 35 1806 Staffordshire, England
>>>>Thomas Lees Male 20 1821 Staffordshire, England
Ellen Lees Female 15 1826 Staffordshire, England
Samuel Lees Male 15 1826 Staffordshire, England
Ann Lees Female 11 1830 Staffordshire, England
William Lees Male 9 1832 Staffordshire, England
Joseph Lees Male 3 1838 Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Lees Female 0 1841 Staffordshire, England
Mary Lees Female 6 1835 Staffordshire, England
George Jackson Male 13 1828 Staffordshire, England

in 1851 thomas was lodging with harrietts sister chalotte and her husband samuel turner, the change of name is bizarre

i think the samuel in 1841 was working as a potter as was son thomas

With regards to the name change, I've had something similar in my own Tree.

My Ancestor was illegitimate he was called Richard Brealey. According to the Parish Baptism Register in 1837 he was 'Richard Brealey the bastard son of Lydia Brealey & Richard Harvey'. His Parents Lydia Brealey & Richard Harvey went on to marry in 1841.
Their son Richard Brealey thereafter had problems as to which surname to use and can be found as both Richard Brealey and Richard Harvey Jr.

With regards to the 1841 Census I've given above, I'm unsure now if that is the right Thomas

Hi, sorry for the lateness in replaying been very busy at work. Thank you for all help you have given me.

I am still very confused

Ellen Sutton born 1856 l have found her birth record she was born Harriet Sutton 1856 in Newcastle - under-
SUTTON Harriet 1856 Leek Staffordshire Newcastle-Under-Lyme LE/14/013
Lyme


COLCLOUGH Charles SUTTON Ellen 1876 Audley, St James Staffordshire Newcastle-Under-Lyme C3/3/8



SUTTON Harriet 64 1877 Tunstall Staffordshire Stoke-On-Trent TUN/044/032

I am still very confused,

thanks

Amanda

That birth you have given above Ellen as Harriet Sutton shows that that child was illegitimate as no mother's name is given

SUTTON, HARRIET -
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in LEEK Volume 06B Page 207

This is the Marriage for Ellen that looks correct

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Sutton
Age 21
Birth year 1855
Marriage year 1876
Marriage date 05 Jun 1876
Marriage place Audley, St James the Great
Denomination Anglican
Residence Kidsgrove
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Sutton
Spouse's first name(s) Charles
Spouse's last name Colclough
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's residence Audley
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Colclough
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D6149/1/5
Page 4
Register type -
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

This is Ellen's Baptism

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Sutton
Baptism year 1856
Baptism date 27 Jul 1856
Baptism place Newchapel, St James, Chapelry of Wolstanton
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Harriet
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3544/1/7
Page 37
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Now I'm not finding a Birth Registration for Ellen :-S

Possible two reasons for this is that

* the birth wasn't Registered as it wasn't compulsory to do so
Or
* Ellen was adopted (just a thought)

Hi,

Ellen Sutton was definitely born Ellen Sutton.

We defo know her mother is Harriet Clare and her father is Thomas Sutton? we also know that bot Harriet and Thomas had Ellen late in life.

We also know that both Harriet and Thomas have been married before?

Who was Thomas and Harriet married to before?

Possible Thomas Sutton was born outside of marriage, possible Sutton was Thomas's mother maiden name?

Possible the lees name was is really father name?

Can we find some information on Thomas and is parents.

regards

Amanda

just a guess

Thomas
Last name Leese
Gender Male
Birth year 1822
Birth place -
Baptism year 1822
Baptism date 07 Apr 1822
Place Tunstall by Stoke upon Trent
County Staffordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Father's last name Leese
Mother's first name(s) Alice
Mother's last name Gibson

Thomas
Last name Leese
Birth year 1822
Birth date 30 Jan 1822
Baptism year 1822
Baptism date 07 Apr 1822
Place Tunstall
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Mother's first name(s) Alice
County Staffordshire
Country England
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/2726
Description STAFFORDSHIRE: Tunstall, Wolstanton (Wesleyan): Births & Baptisms

Samuel
Last name Lees
Marriage year 1818
Marriage date 12 May 1818
Marriage place Biddulph, St Lawrence
Denomination Anglican
Residence Biddulph
Spouse's first name(s) Alice
Spouse's last name Gibson

1841
Samuel Leese
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolstanton
Hundred: North Pirehill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
Neighbors:
Piece: 993
Book: 19
Folio: 31
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Leese 50 ----- a collier
Thomas Leese 20
James Leese 15
Samuel Leese 13
William Leese 11
Alice Leese 40
Jane Leese 6
Joseph Leese 1

Hi,

Thank you for the information, l have been looking throw the threads and have put together some information

Thomas Sutton 1825 Married Harriet Clare they had a daughter Ellen Sutton

After Harriet's death, Thomas remarried Sarah Cope age 67 they married 19th September 1880. Obviously Sarah had been married before and cope was her married name, Sarah's father is named Daniel Mayor.

In both marriages, Thomas stated his father is Samuel Lees.

Can anyone help me to find Thomas Sutton birth record, l think is mother is named Hannah Sutton and information will be helpful as l think Thomas was born outside of marriage

thank you

Amanda

I've found this Baptism which could be something but thereagain it could be nothing. I'm posting it for a possible Baptism for Thomas Sutton even though it states it's for Thomas Turner. Looking at the image of the Baptism Samuel Turner & Sarah Sutton where not married and it doesn't specify Turner as the Surname it just gives both surnames.

First name(s) Thos
Last name Turner
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place Brerehurst
Baptism year 1825
Baptism date 27 Feb 1825
Place Newchapel
County Staffordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Saml
Father's last name Turner
Occupation. Collier
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name Sutton
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Thanks both!! - This is the final count to set things back for he winter.............................

Dea Xxx

I've come across the following marriage and I'm wondering whether this is the Samuel Turner mentioned in the Baptism I've given above..... interestingly one of the Witnesses is Luke Lees

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Turner
Occupation. Collier
Marriage year 1825
Marriage date 10 Apr 1825
Marriage place Wolstanton, St Margaret
Denomination Anglican
Residence Wolstanton
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Spouse's last name Clare
Witnesses. Luke Lees & John Wassall (looks like)
Spouse's residence Wolstanton
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3534/1/20
Page 67
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages


The following is the 1851 Census that Maddie found......could Thomas Sutton be Samuel"s Son?? I have seen before relatives been listed as Lodger, also I think Thomas' occupation was Servant rather than Servant to the Household.

1851
Name: Thomas Sutton
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Brieryhurst
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Wolstanton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 123
Piece: 2002
Folio: 251
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Turner 50. Collier
Charlott Turner 46
Thomas Sutton 26
Joseph Unwin 2

I'm wondering whether this is Samuel Turner/Lees in the 1841 Census?

Could perhaps Samuel Turner have been born out of wedlock? Luke Lees is given as head of household, is he the same Luke Lees that was a Witness to Samuel Turner & Charlotte Clare's Marriage? Could the Elizabeth Lees aged 62 be Samuel's mother? Could Elizabeth Lees be Elizabeth Turner?


Name: Samuel Lees
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
[1801]
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolstanton
Hundred: North Pirehill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district: Wolstanton
Sub-registration district: Tunstall
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 993
Book: 9
Folio: 34
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Lees 66
Elizebeth Lees 62
Samuel Lees 60
Charlot Lees 35
Elizabeth Lees 13

Well, if my theory is right then this could be the Marriage of Elizabeth Turner?

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Turner
Marriage year 1803
Marriage date 23 May 1803
Marriage place Biddulph, St Lawrence
Denomination Anglican
Residence Biddulph
Spouse's first name(s) Luke
Spouse's last name Leigh
Spouse's residence Biddulph
Witnesses John Turner & Robt Clulow
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3539/1/12
Page 37
Register type Marriage