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Hi can anyone help me find Joseph Williams and Mary sutter in 1911 census please
She may have been called Mary Ellen sutter as she was known as Nellie
I think she died in 1913
Thanks for any help (looking to see if they had any children

Marriage: 19 Jul 1905 St Augustine, Everton, Lancs.
Joseph Williams - 21, Marl Assistant, Bachelor, 5 Richard St. hi
Mary Sutter - 20, Spinster, 9 Godfrey St.
Groom's Father: James Williams, Deceased, Carter
Bride's Father: James Sutter, Carver
Witness: Henry Corless; Margaret Sutter
Married by Banns by: William J. Adams
Register: Marriages 1896 - 1906, Page 230, Entry 459
Source: LDS Film 1656015

Thanks
Lainey

I can't see any children using the GRO site (free to use) up to 1911 and nothing after 1911 using FREEBMD

Thanks Lancashireann

Looks like it might be another brick wall :-)

only one i can see so far
Name: Jsoeph Williams
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bolton
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 21 Centre Street Brownlow Fold Bolton
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Forge Man
Registration district: Bolton
Registration District Number: 461
Sub-registration district: Halliwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 23321
Household Members:
Name Age
Jsoeph Williams 28
Mary Williams 26

but says mary born bolton

1901]
ames Sutter Head Married Male 40 1861 Gilter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary E Sutter Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Sutter Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Cigarette Maker Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Sutter Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Slip Maker Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jane E Sutter Daughter - Female 13 1888 General Servant Domestic Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Sutter Son - Male 11 1890 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John S Sutter Son - Male 10 1891 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Norah Sutter Son - Female 5 1896 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Sutter's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

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Name: Mr Joseph Williams
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 11 Shallcross St Lpool
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Porter Caunty Serrions House Islington
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Piece: 22521
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Williams 25
Mary Ellen Williams 25 --- liverpool

married 5 years

Name: Joseph Williams
Death Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1885
Registration Date: Oct 1945
[Nov 1945]
[Dec 1945]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 445

Thanks maddie
the 1901 is mary sutter who married joseph williams both were born in liverpool so i dont think that is them in the 1911
but thank you
Lainey

in 191 she was mart e
James Sutter Head Married Male 31 1860 Gilder Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary E Sutter Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Sutter Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary E Sutter Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jane E Sutter Daughter Single Female 3 1888 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James A Sutter Son Single Male 1 1890 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John S Sutter Son Single Male 0 1891 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Pugsley Father In Law Widower Male 70 1821 Shoemaker Ireland
Mary E Sutter's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

I looked for 9 Richard St Everton (as on the marriage details) in 1911 but the street stops at no 7

I think that 2nd 1911 that Maddie posted is the one.

Joseph's occupation should read 'county sessions house' - ie courts

on marriage looking at the original I think it says Gaol assistant, not marl - the 1st letter is definitley not 'M' and the 3rd letter is o not r

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https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

If you aren't sure whether this couple had children, how did you work back to them?

yes thanks
maddie and lancashire ann the 2 nd one looks like it thank you so much
it was 5 richard st on his actual marraige certificate

thank s again so looks like no children

On 1911 census Mary Ellen's occupation is 'Fried Fish Shop'

NO children

sorry I misread the address on the marriage certificate. There is still a family of Williams at no 5 in 1911. Head of the household Dorothy, a widow, but no Joseph

if this is joseph must his mother in 1911
Name: Joseph Williams
Birth Date: 1 May
Baptism Date: 25 May 1885
Baptism Place: Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England
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Father: James Williams
Mother: Dorthy Blanche Williams

1911
Name: Dorothy Williams
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Everton
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Richard St
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: None
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 22541
Household Members:
Name Age
Dorothy Williams 44
John Williams 24
Annie Williams 17
Emily Williams 15
Thomas Williams 14
Sarah Williams 9
William Williams 5
Florance Williams 22
John Lee 60

1901
Dorothy Williams
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Williams
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors:
Piece: 3480
Folio: 88
Page Number: 43
Household schedule number: 279
Household Members:
Name Age
James Williams 41
Dorothy Williams 36
Albert T Williams 18
Joseph Williams 15
John Williams 13
Ada Williams 12
Annie Williams 7
Emily Williams 5
Thomas Williams 1
George Hoesly 20
Simon Mason 38

address 5 richard st

thanks maddie that is the family at that address the mother was dorothy blanche lee and the father was james williams




rhank you for all your help ;;;;;