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thanks maddie that is the family at that address the mother was dorothy blanche lee and the father was james williams




rhank you for all your help ;;;;;

if this is joseph must his mother in 1911
Name: Joseph Williams
Birth Date: 1 May
Baptism Date: 25 May 1885
Baptism Place: Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England
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Father: James Williams
Mother: Dorthy Blanche Williams

1911
Name: Dorothy Williams
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Everton
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Richard St
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: None
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Piece: 22541
Household Members:
Name Age
Dorothy Williams 44
John Williams 24
Annie Williams 17
Emily Williams 15
Thomas Williams 14
Sarah Williams 9
William Williams 5
Florance Williams 22
John Lee 60

1901
Dorothy Williams
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Williams
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors:
Piece: 3480
Folio: 88
Page Number: 43
Household schedule number: 279
Household Members:
Name Age
James Williams 41
Dorothy Williams 36
Albert T Williams 18
Joseph Williams 15
John Williams 13
Ada Williams 12
Annie Williams 7
Emily Williams 5
Thomas Williams 1
George Hoesly 20
Simon Mason 38

address 5 richard st

sorry I misread the address on the marriage certificate. There is still a family of Williams at no 5 in 1911. Head of the household Dorothy, a widow, but no Joseph

On 1911 census Mary Ellen's occupation is 'Fried Fish Shop'

NO children

yes thanks
maddie and lancashire ann the 2 nd one looks like it thank you so much
it was 5 richard st on his actual marraige certificate

thank s again so looks like no children

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If you aren't sure whether this couple had children, how did you work back to them?

I think that 2nd 1911 that Maddie posted is the one.

Joseph's occupation should read 'county sessions house' - ie courts

on marriage looking at the original I think it says Gaol assistant, not marl - the 1st letter is definitley not 'M' and the 3rd letter is o not r

I looked for 9 Richard St Everton (as on the marriage details) in 1911 but the street stops at no 7

in 191 she was mart e
James Sutter Head Married Male 31 1860 Gilder Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary E Sutter Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Sutter Daughter Single Female 7 1884 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary E Sutter Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jane E Sutter Daughter Single Female 3 1888 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James A Sutter Son Single Male 1 1890 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John S Sutter Son Single Male 0 1891 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Pugsley Father In Law Widower Male 70 1821 Shoemaker Ireland
Mary E Sutter's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

Thanks maddie
the 1901 is mary sutter who married joseph williams both were born in liverpool so i dont think that is them in the 1911
but thank you
Lainey

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Name: Mr Joseph Williams
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 11 Shallcross St Lpool
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Porter Caunty Serrions House Islington
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Piece: 22521
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Williams 25
Mary Ellen Williams 25 --- liverpool

married 5 years

Name: Joseph Williams
Death Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1885
Registration Date: Oct 1945
[Nov 1945]
[Dec 1945]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 445

only one i can see so far
Name: Jsoeph Williams
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bolton
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 21 Centre Street Brownlow Fold Bolton
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Forge Man
Registration district: Bolton
Registration District Number: 461
Sub-registration district: Halliwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 23321
Household Members:
Name Age
Jsoeph Williams 28
Mary Williams 26

but says mary born bolton

1901]
ames Sutter Head Married Male 40 1861 Gilter Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary E Sutter Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Sutter Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Cigarette Maker Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Sutter Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Slip Maker Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jane E Sutter Daughter - Female 13 1888 General Servant Domestic Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Sutter Son - Male 11 1890 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John S Sutter Son - Male 10 1891 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Norah Sutter Son - Female 5 1896 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Sutter's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

Thanks Lancashireann

Looks like it might be another brick wall :-)

I can't see any children using the GRO site (free to use) up to 1911 and nothing after 1911 using FREEBMD

Hi can anyone help me find Joseph Williams and Mary sutter in 1911 census please
She may have been called Mary Ellen sutter as she was known as Nellie
I think she died in 1913
Thanks for any help (looking to see if they had any children

Marriage: 19 Jul 1905 St Augustine, Everton, Lancs.
Joseph Williams - 21, Marl Assistant, Bachelor, 5 Richard St. hi
Mary Sutter - 20, Spinster, 9 Godfrey St.
Groom's Father: James Williams, Deceased, Carter
Bride's Father: James Sutter, Carver
Witness: Henry Corless; Margaret Sutter
Married by Banns by: William J. Adams
Register: Marriages 1896 - 1906, Page 230, Entry 459
Source: LDS Film 1656015

Thanks
Lainey