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Wife of Wiliam Richard Cole?

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malyon

malyon Report 15 Mar 2020 21:33

is this mary cole;s death

Deaths Dec 1867 (>99%)
Cole Mary Ann 41 Hackney 1b 281

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 21:04

Your 1851, Marcus, is unlikely to be the right people, as the wife would have been only 14 when Sarah was born , and the man’s occupation is wrong. You do need to take all info into account

You haven’t said how you connect to William

BTW Relationships on censuses are to the HEAD of the household ONLY

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Mar 2020 20:41

The children in the 1861 posted already ??:

COLE, SARAH ANN mms WINFIELD
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 351

COLE, RICHARD WILLIAM mms WINFIELD
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 37


COLE, ROBERT mms WINFIELD
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 252



William Cole
in the 1851 England Census
Name: William Cole
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Cole
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Gree, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 196
Piece: 1540
Folio: 159
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cole 26 - but he's a lamplighter
Sarah Cole 20 - Shoreditch
Sarah Ann Cole 3
Richard W Cole 1

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Mar 2020 18:13

I think this is the marriage for the couple in the 1851 census

Name: William Reeve Cole
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 20
occupation:- Fishmonger
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1830
Marriage Date: 20 Jan 1850
Marriage Place: St Philip, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: James Cole
Occupation: Fishmonger
Spouse: Mary Ann Whitaker
Address: Elizabeth Place
Father: James Whitaker
Occupation: Musician
Register Type: Parish Register
.....................

COLE, WILLIAM JAMES WHITAKER
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 437
....................

Same family in 1881

Name: Wm.R. Cole
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary A. Cole
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St John Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 172 Sandringham Road
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Fishmonger Employ 1 Boy

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 298
Folio: 36
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm.R. Cole 50
Mary A. Cole 43
Frederick W. Cole 22
Adelaide Cole 15
Florence Cole 12

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 18:02

1861

Name: William Cole
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 364
Piece: 260
Folio: 104
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cole 32 ********************************Shoe maker
William Cole 11
Sarah Cole 13
Robert Cole 8

ALL born Bethnal Green

safc

safc Report 15 Mar 2020 17:47

Record Transcription:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Elizabeth Place, Saint Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Cole Head Married Male 20 1831 Fishmonger
Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Cole Wife Married Female 18 1833 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
William Cole Son - Male 0 1851 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 17:39

In both 1851 & 1861, all children are described as Son / Daughter but I guess this isn't strictly accurate at times?

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 17:36

1851 Census -

County/Island Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Shoreditch
Sub-registration district Haggerstone West
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Household schedule number 105
Piece 1537
Folio 191
Page number 13
Household Members
236841
Household Members
Name
William Cole Age 20
Name
Mary Ann Cole Age 18
Name
William Cole Age 1 Mo

1861 Census -

Civil parish Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish St Jude
County/Island Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district Church
ED, institution, or vessel 18
Household schedule number 364
Piece 260
Folio 104
Page number 62
Household Members
5685900
Household Members

Name
William Cole Age 32
(NO WIFE MENTIONED !!)
Name
William Cole Age 11
Name
Sarah Cole Age 13
Name
Robert Cole Age 8

1871 Census see earlier post by ArgyllGran.

The 10 year gap mentioned by ErikaH does seem odd with only the one wife.

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Mar 2020 17:31

There's no mention of a child 'Robert' but I was wondering if this could William with children William and Sarah in 1861

Name: William Cole
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 9 Cambridge Street
Occupation: Shoemaker
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 364
Piece: 260
Folio: 104
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cole 32
William Cole 11
Sarah Cole 13
Robert Cole 8

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 16:46

If the age for the wife is accurate, she couldn't have been having children in 1848

1881

27, Homer Road, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England
William Cole Head Married Male 54 1827 Shoemaker Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Marian Cole Wife Married Female 37 1844 Confectioner Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Eliza Cole Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Confectioner Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Emily Cole Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Confectioner Hackney, Middlesex, England
James Cole Son Single Male 14 1867 Cutter Boot Trade Hackney, Middlesex, England
Edward Cole Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
Marian Cole Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
Richard Cole Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
Margaret Cole Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Hackney, Middlesex, England



COLE, RICHARD ROSS ROSS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 593

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 16:38

There is a TEN YEAR gap between William and Eliza - doesn't make sense if there was only one wife

Where is the 'first' family in 1851 and 1861?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 16:30

As all of the births posted show second forename of Ross, it would seem feasible to suggest that the parents didn't actually marry

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 16:29

COLE, MARGARET ROSS ROSS
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 576

COLE, ELLEN ROSS ROSS
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 589

greyghost

greyghost Report 15 Mar 2020 16:20

Surely all the children you've named can't have the same Mother - there's a 36 year span !!

COLE, RICHARD ROSS ROSS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 593

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Mar 2020 14:02

Another one at 1 Margaret St., father listed as boot maker here. No birth date.

Edward Ross Cole

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: Edward Ross Cole
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Sep 1868
Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England
Father: William Cole
Mother: Mary Ann Cole
Register Type: Parish Registers

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Mar 2020 13:58

This one is also 1 Margaret St. with father a shoemaker:

James Ross Cole

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: James Ross Cole
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1866
Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England
Father: William Cole
Mother: Mary Ann Cole
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 3 Sep.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Mar 2020 13:46

Rosina and Emily were baptized same day, 19 June 1870. No birth dates given. Parents were William & Mary Ann, 1 Margaret St. William a shoemaker.


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Rosina Cole

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: Rosina Cole
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Jun 1870
Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England
Father: William Cole
Mother: Mary Ann Cole
Register Type: Parish Registers

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 12:23

Mea Culpa, so you did - sorry! Thankyou for that.

Still cannot find the others or the marriage.....

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Mar 2020 12:17

I've posted Emily's birth above - mms Ross.

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 12:14

This is my problem too.
Sarah, William, Eliza and Emily - I cannot find them with MMN Ross either!

Don't know what's going on here??