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malyon
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15 Mar 2020 21:33 |
is this mary cole;s death
Deaths Dec 1867 (>99%) Cole Mary Ann 41 Hackney 1b 281
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 21:04 |
Your 1851, Marcus, is unlikely to be the right people, as the wife would have been only 14 when Sarah was born , and the man’s occupation is wrong. You do need to take all info into account
You haven’t said how you connect to William
BTW Relationships on censuses are to the HEAD of the household ONLY
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ArgyllGran
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15 Mar 2020 20:41 |
The children in the 1861 posted already ??:
COLE, SARAH ANN mms WINFIELD GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 351
COLE, RICHARD WILLIAM mms WINFIELD GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 37
COLE, ROBERT mms WINFIELD GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 252
William Cole in the 1851 England Census Name: William Cole Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Cole Gender: Male Where born: Bethnal Gree, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Green ED, institution, or vessel: 05 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 196 Piece: 1540 Folio: 159 Page Number: 41 Household Members: Name Age William Cole 26 - but he's a lamplighter Sarah Cole 20 - Shoreditch Sarah Ann Cole 3 Richard W Cole 1
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Catherine
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15 Mar 2020 18:13 |
I think this is the marriage for the couple in the 1851 census
Name: William Reeve Cole Gender: Male Marriage Age: 20 occupation:- Fishmonger Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1830 Marriage Date: 20 Jan 1850 Marriage Place: St Philip, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England Father: James Cole Occupation: Fishmonger Spouse: Mary Ann Whitaker Address: Elizabeth Place Father: James Whitaker Occupation: Musician Register Type: Parish Register .....................
COLE, WILLIAM JAMES WHITAKER GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 437 ....................
Same family in 1881
Name: Wm.R. Cole Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Mary A. Cole Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St John Hackney County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 172 Sandringham Road Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image
Occupation: Fishmonger Employ 1 Boy
Registration district: Hackney Sub registration district: West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 8b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 298 Folio: 36 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Wm.R. Cole 50 Mary A. Cole 43 Frederick W. Cole 22 Adelaide Cole 15 Florence Cole 12
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 18:02 |
1861
Name: William Cole Age: 32 Estimated birth year: 1829 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Bethnal Green Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Church ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 364 Piece: 260 Folio: 104 Page Number: 62 Household Members: Name Age William Cole 32 ********************************Shoe maker William Cole 11 Sarah Cole 13 Robert Cole 8
ALL born Bethnal Green
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15 Mar 2020 17:47 |
Record Transcription: 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Elizabeth Place, Saint Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England
Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Cole Head Married Male 20 1831 Fishmonger Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Mary Ann Cole Wife Married Female 18 1833 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England William Cole Son - Male 0 1851 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 17:39 |
In both 1851 & 1861, all children are described as Son / Daughter but I guess this isn't strictly accurate at times?
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 17:36 |
1851 Census -
County/Island Middlesex Country England Registration district Shoreditch Sub-registration district Haggerstone West ED, institution, or vessel 10 Household schedule number 105 Piece 1537 Folio 191 Page number 13 Household Members 236841 Household Members Name William Cole Age 20 Name Mary Ann Cole Age 18 Name William Cole Age 1 Mo
1861 Census -
Civil parish Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish St Jude County/Island Middlesex Country England Registration district Bethnal Green Sub-registration district Church ED, institution, or vessel 18 Household schedule number 364 Piece 260 Folio 104 Page number 62 Household Members 5685900 Household Members
Name William Cole Age 32 (NO WIFE MENTIONED !!) Name William Cole Age 11 Name Sarah Cole Age 13 Name Robert Cole Age 8
1871 Census see earlier post by ArgyllGran.
The 10 year gap mentioned by ErikaH does seem odd with only the one wife.
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Catherine
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15 Mar 2020 17:31 |
There's no mention of a child 'Robert' but I was wondering if this could William with children William and Sarah in 1861
Name: William Cole Age: 32 Estimated birth year: 1829 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Bethnal Green Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 9 Cambridge Street Occupation: Shoemaker Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Church ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 364 Piece: 260 Folio: 104 Page Number: 62 Household Members: Name Age William Cole 32 William Cole 11 Sarah Cole 13 Robert Cole 8
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 16:46 |
If the age for the wife is accurate, she couldn't have been having children in 1848
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27, Homer Road, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England William Cole Head Married Male 54 1827 Shoemaker Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Marian Cole Wife Married Female 37 1844 Confectioner Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Eliza Cole Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Confectioner Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Emily Cole Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Confectioner Hackney, Middlesex, England James Cole Son Single Male 14 1867 Cutter Boot Trade Hackney, Middlesex, England Edward Cole Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England Marian Cole Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England Richard Cole Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England Margaret Cole Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
COLE, RICHARD ROSS ROSS GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 593
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 16:38 |
There is a TEN YEAR gap between William and Eliza - doesn't make sense if there was only one wife
Where is the 'first' family in 1851 and 1861?
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 16:30 |
As all of the births posted show second forename of Ross, it would seem feasible to suggest that the parents didn't actually marry
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 16:29 |
COLE, MARGARET ROSS ROSS GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 576
COLE, ELLEN ROSS ROSS GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 589
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greyghost
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15 Mar 2020 16:20 |
Surely all the children you've named can't have the same Mother - there's a 36 year span !!
COLE, RICHARD ROSS ROSS GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 593
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MargaretM
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15 Mar 2020 14:02 |
Another one at 1 Margaret St., father listed as boot maker here. No birth date.
Edward Ross Cole
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Edward Ross Cole Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 27 Sep 1868 Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England Father: William Cole Mother: Mary Ann Cole Register Type: Parish Registers
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MargaretM
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15 Mar 2020 13:58 |
This one is also 1 Margaret St. with father a shoemaker:
James Ross Cole
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: James Ross Cole Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1866 Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England Father: William Cole Mother: Mary Ann Cole Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 3 Sep.
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MargaretM
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15 Mar 2020 13:46 |
Rosina and Emily were baptized same day, 19 June 1870. No birth dates given. Parents were William & Mary Ann, 1 Margaret St. William a shoemaker.
All Results Rosina Cole
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Rosina Cole Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Jun 1870 Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England Father: William Cole Mother: Mary Ann Cole Register Type: Parish Registers
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 12:23 |
Mea Culpa, so you did - sorry! Thankyou for that.
Still cannot find the others or the marriage.....
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ArgyllGran
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15 Mar 2020 12:17 |
I've posted Emily's birth above - mms Ross.
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 12:14 |
This is my problem too. Sarah, William, Eliza and Emily - I cannot find them with MMN Ross either!
Don't know what's going on here??
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