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Thank you once again at least ive got something to work with now Thank you all once again.xx

Ancestry's terrible transcription of part of that 1841 census posted by Rambling .

Every member of the family is transcribed as Munes, and each is listed separately:

Emma Munes
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Emma Munes
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: St Andrew Auckland
Hundred: Darlington (North West Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
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Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishops Auckland
Neighbors:
Piece: 307
Book: 10
Folio: 48
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Munes 10

Although 1891 census gives William's YOB as 1825, in 1851 and 1861 it's given as 1826.

So as well as the two possible 1825 baptisms posted by Maddie, there are also these:

Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Baptism of WILLM BYRNE of BRITAIN ST on 20 July 1826
Name WILLM BYRNE
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address BRITAIN ST
Father WILLM BYRNE
Mother ELIZA BYRNE
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 JOHN NOWLAND
Sponsor 2 JUDITH


Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - SANDYFORD
Baptism of GULIELMUS BYRNE of N/R on N/R N/R 1826
Name GULIELMUS BYRNE
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father GULIELMI BYRNE
Mother ANNA CASEY


Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - LUCAN
Baptism of WILLIAM BYRNE of N/R on N/R N/R 1825
Name WILLIAM BYRNE
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father JOHN BYRNE
Mother MARY FAGAN


Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY
Baptism of WILLM BYRNE of N/R on N/R N/R 1825
Name WILLM BYRNE
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father TIMOTHY BYRNE
Mother ANNE GAYNOR

I wonder about this family, father was from Scotland ( I think his occ' reads as Indep' Minister ) but the children aren't , there is an Emma and also a Henrietta, mother being Charlotte 'might' account for name of first child to Emma and William?

Might be worth looking into.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wear Chase, St Andrew Auckland, Auckland, Durham, England


James Munro Male 45 1796 Scotland
Charlotte Munro Female 35 1806 -
Margaret Munro Female 15 1826 -
Emma Munro Female 10 1831 -
Maria Munro Female 8 1833 -
William Munro Male 7 1834 -
Henrietta Munro Female 6 1835 -
Alexander Munro Male 5 1836 -
Robert Munro Male 3 1838 -

Thank you so much for your help.x

I've used a few credits on Scotlands People to look at Charlotte's birth record (as posted by Rambling) .

It comes under Catholic births, but the parents' religion is stated to be "mixed" - ie - one Catholic, one not.

"Munore" looks like Munroe to me, and "Ellenor" looks more like Emmer or Emma.
The handwriting's not the clearest!
The mother of the child on the line above was called Ellenor, and it looks as if the clerk has started writing Ellenor again by mistake, then corrected the two l's to an m. The end of the name is definitely either "mer" or "ma".

If it were my search, I would be satisfied that it's the right record.

17/8/1851 is the date of birth, and 24/8/ 51 is the date of baptism.
The sponsors ( ie - godparents or witnesses) were John and Margaret Donnelly.

If you register with SP and buy a few credits (minimum 30 credits for £7.50), it will cost you 6 credits to look at it yourself, and print a copy.
Church Registers; then Births & Baptisms; then Roman Catholic Church; then Charlotte Burns 1851. No need for any other search terms.

wow could be hope so.

???????
Name: William Byrn
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1825
Baptism Date: 21 Dec 1825
Baptism Place: St Mary's (Pro-Cathedral), Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
Parish Variants: St Mary's Pro-cathedral
Diocese: Dublin

no parents named

and this one but with middle name

Name: William Thomas Byrn
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1825
Baptism Date: 19 May 1825
Baptism Place: St Mary's (Pro-Cathedral), Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
Residence Place: Swifts Row
Parish Variants: St Mary's Pro-cathedral
Diocese: Dublin
Father: Jas Byrn
Mother: Amelia Byrn

Thank you very much Erika.

As William was Irish, Byrne is a feasible spelling of his surname

No sign anywhere of a marriage between William and Emma

Thank you so much I couldn't find any baptisms either Maddie.thank you all for your help .Much appreciated

The daughter Caroline, mistranscribed or misheard? as Byrne

BYRNE, CAROLINE mmn MONRO
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 265

there dont seem to be any munro baptisms in plaistow for that period

Thank you all very much your so kind. :-)

I meant documantary proof - sorry, I should have specified.

BUT......................Rambling has conme up with factual evidence, so question answered.

Erika My father in law George Percy Harber 1824 Born Dartford Kent it was his grt grt grandmother.

BURNS, HENRIETTA KATE MONRO
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 362

Last child on that 1881 census

BURNS, FRANCIS MONRO
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 368 Occasional Copy: B

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
8, Phoenix Cottages, Dartford, Kent, England



Emma Burns Head Married Female 49 1832 Mill Hand Plaistow, Essex, England
Caroline Burns Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Mill Hand Dartford, Kent, England
William Burns Son Single Male 16 1865 Labourer In Paper Mill Crayford, Kent, England
Kate Burns Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Crayford, Kent, England
Francis Burns Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Crayford, Kent, England