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ArgyllGran
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13 Apr 2020 12:50 |
A marriage record from 1822 unfortunately won't tell you where or when he was born, though it might give a very rough idea of his age (eg - "full age"), and where he lived at the time of the marriage.
Via this record (below) on Ancestry, you can view the document online at Essex Archives Online for £2.99.
There's a link on the Ancestry page.
John Higgilton in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935 Name: John Higgilton Gender: Male Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 30 May 1822 Marriage Place: Kelvedon, St Mary The Virgin, Essex, England
As far as I can make out with the aid of my magnifying glass on the Essex Archives page, without paying £2.99 to see the full size image, it only says "of this parish" and something which might be his marital status, or possibly occupation. No indication of age.
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Denis
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13 Apr 2020 12:34 |
From my various searches I think Sarah and Hannah Pamplin are one and the same person. Hannah Pamplin died and was buried on 12th December 1819 and then John Higgleton went on to marry Susan Green (possibly originally Susanna) on 13/05/1822. I am still trying to find out the birth date and place of birth for this John Higgleton. I am rather hoping that he might have been born in 1791 in Colne Engaine, but may have to resort to a marriage certificate between John and Susan Green in 1822. Any comments would be welcome.
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Denis
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21 Feb 2020 19:18 |
Note to Sylvain, You are doing a great job here. I should have said that there was no current Keldon, now called Kelvedon. I would like to to think this John, (with so many wives?? ha ha ) was the same John of Elizabeth Eyres born in 1791, but like you I am not yet convinced. I am floundering with so many John and James Higgletons. I can't even tie all the deaths to specific persons yet for these two names. This seems to be the only Higgleton family in Kelvedon, the rest are in or around the Colne villages or in Halstead itself. All these places are in Essex. Thanks again.
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SylviaInCanada
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20 Feb 2020 18:09 |
Regarding Keldon ..............
that is the name used on the marriage certificates and baptism transcripts.
As AG posted ............ it was the old name for Kelvedon plus it was seemingly retained as the name for a part of Kelvedon.
I didn't make it up ......... I copied and posted the EXACT transcripts as found on the major genealogy sites.
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SylviaInCanada
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20 Feb 2020 18:06 |
There are children born to a John Higgleton (various sp) and wife Sarah ......
...... but they are not baptised in Keldon or Kelveton, and cover the same period as the marriages of John Higgleton to BOTH Hannah and Susan (Susanna/h) Green
AND I saw but cannot now find again, a John and Sarah Higgleton (various spellings) on a census, but again NOT in Kelveton or Halstead.
The image of the marriage of John to Sarah Pamplin MIGHT be on Essex Archive Online .............. it's up to you whether you want to find that site and to see the image. It's not a subscription site, and you can't ask helpers (who are members just like yourself) to pay for you. BUT seeing if it is on that site would tell you the date of the marriage ............... same date, before or after.
FWIW ............... I believe there are TWO John Higgletons who married Pamplin girls. The Pamplins might be sisters, relations or not related.
That's unless you want to believe that one John Higgleton married bigamously not only once but twice, and managed to children on at least 2 of the wives.
I have to go out now, but will try to re-find the baptisms of children to John Higgleton (various spellings) and wife Sarah. Note that the baptisms do not state the wife's maiden name!
FWIW ............ I am not yet convinced that John Hingleton and wife Elizabeth Eyres are the parents of your John. I need more proof!
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2020 13:24 |
I think you'll find that the reference to Sarah is a mistranscription of Hannah
When you visit the Records Office, you'll be able to verify
Sylvia gave you info about the second marriage showing John to be a WIDOWER. And about Hannah's death..............................
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ArgyllGran
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20 Feb 2020 13:15 |
Re Keldon - you say "no such place", but it was the old name for Kelvedon:
"In King Richard I’s Curia Regis Rolls we had become Kevleveden then Keldon in the time of Elizabeth I and the name became Kelvedon in the 18th Century."
https://www.kelvedon.org.uk/local-history/
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Denis
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20 Feb 2020 12:51 |
Thank you all for your replies which are all very useful. I think the John Higgleton who married Sarah Pamplin in 1814 in Kelvedon (no such place as Keldon) see Essex ref 571186/M04228-1 is the same John Higgleton who was born in 1791 and the son of John Higgleton and Elizabeth Eyres. I cannot find any children with Sarah Pamplin and think she may have died shortly asfter marriage. Did John then marry her sister Hannah? Also did this John then marry Susan Green on 30/05/1822 in Kelvedon? I know this couple had at least six children, and maybe seven as Albert fills in the gap between 1835 and 1839. For ArgyllGran, I didn't realise Easterford was part of Kelvedon. Thanks For Sylvain, a lot of the BMD references state Halstead but this covers all the Colne villages such as White Colne, East Colne, Earls Colne, Wakes Colne, and Colne Engaine so if one wants an exact place of BMD then further investigation is necessary. All these villages but onto one another. Could this John Higgleton have had three wives:- 1)Sarah; 2) Hannah; 3) Susan/ I must try and find the deaths for Sarah and Hannah Pamplin now! Thanks again to you all :-)
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ArgyllGran
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20 Feb 2020 10:36 |
From a Google search, Kelvedon and Keldon appear to be the same place, and Easterford is part of Kelvedon.
Kelvedon is approx 10 miles SW of Colchester. Colne Engaine is approx 11 miles NW of Colchester. Colne Engaine is approx 9 miles north of Kelvedon.
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SylviaInCanada
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19 Feb 2020 22:07 |
??????????
from FMP ..........
Essex Baptism Index 1538-1920
First name(s) John Last name Higleton Baptism year 1791 County Essex Country England Place - Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Father's first name(s) John Sex Male Baptism date 18 Dec 1791 Father's last name Higleton Mother's last name Higleton Record set Essex Baptism Index 1538-1920 Category Life Events (BDMs) Subcategory Parish Baptisms
from Ancestry ............
Essex, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1518-1960
Name: John Higleton Gender: Male Baptism Date: 18 Dec 1791 Baptism Place: Colne Engaine, Essex, England Father: John Higleton Mother: Elizabeth Higleton FHL Film Number: 1472112
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I note that the suggestion is that a John Hingleton (note spelling) son of John Hingleton and Elizabeth Eyres, born Colne Engaine, Essex, derives from one tree on Ancestry, which has, as proof onlt those two records that I've posted above.
I don't know Essex well enough to know whether Colne Engaine is close to Keldon, Keldon or Easterford, which are the places identified with John on other records.
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SylviaInCanada
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19 Feb 2020 21:54 |
The death for Susan that I posted above is more likely to be correct than the 1854 death registration posted by malyon .............
From Ancestry ........
1861 Census
Name: Susan Higgleton Age: 66 Estimated birth year: 1795 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Halsted, Essex , England Civil Parish: Kelvedon County/Island: Essex Country: England
Registration district: Witham Sub-registration district: Kelvedon
Susan Higgleton 66 b.ca 1795, Halsted, Widow, Head, Carrier Alfred J Higgleton 24 b.ca 1837, Kelvedon, Son, Carrier
Address:- High Street
1871 Census
Name: Susan Higgleton Age: 76 Estimated birth year: 1795 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Halstead Essex England Civil Parish: Kelvedon Town: Kelvedon County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: Witham Sub-registration district: Kelvedon
Susan Higgleton 76 Widow, Head, no occupation shown
Address:- Swan St
????her baptism ..........
Essex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Susanna Green Gender: Female Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 7 Apr 1795 Baptism Place: Halstead, St Andrew, Essex , England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: Tho Green Mother: Rachel Green
This is another record on FMP, it looks like the same baptism but the mother's name is different???
Essex Baptism Index 1538-1920
First name(s) Susanna Last name Green Baptism year 1795 County Essex Country England Place Halstead, St Andrew Mother's first name(s) Mabel Father's first name(s) Tho Father's last name Green Baptism date 07 Apr 1795 Archive Essex Record Office
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SylviaInCanada
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19 Feb 2020 21:27 |
From FMP ...............
Essex Burial Index 1530-1994
First name(s) Hannah Last name Higgleton Age 27 Birth year 1792 Residence Keldon or Easterford Burial year 1819 Burial date 12 Dec 1819 Place Kelvedon Relationship Wife of Relative's name John Higgleton County Essex Country England Archive Essex Record Office Archive reference D/P 134/1/8 Record set Essex Burial Index 1530-1994 Category Life Events (BDMs)
First name(s) John Last name Higgilton Age 57 Birth year 1792 Residence Keldon or Easterford Burial year 1849 Burial date 12 Aug 1849 Place Kelvedon County Essex Country England Archive Essex Record Office Archive reference D/P 134/1/8 Record set Essex Burial Index 1530-1994
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First name(s) Susan Last name Higgleton Age 85 Birth year 1795 Residence Kelvedon Burial year 1880 Burial date 26 Feb 1880 Place Kelvedon County Essex Country England Archive Essex Record Office Archive reference D/P 134/1/14 Record set Essex Burial Index 1530-1994
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SylviaInCanada
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19 Feb 2020 21:15 |
Ancestry says that the image of the record for the 1822 marriage can be seen at Essex Archives Online .......... presumably you have to pay
FMP has the following transcripts, which may be helpful ..........
Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935
First name(s) John Last name Higgleton Residence Keldon or Easterford <<<<<<<<<<< Marriage year 1814 Marriage date 31 Mar 1814 Place Kelvedon County Essex Spouse's first name(s) Hannah Spouse's last name Pamplin Spouse's marital status S Spouse's residence Halstead Country England Event type Marriages Archive Essex Record Office Archive reference D/P 134/1/9 Page number 8 Record set Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935
First name(s) Hannah Last name Pamplin Residence Halstead Marriage year 1814 Marriage date 31 Mar 1814 Place Kelvedon County Essex Spouse's first name(s) John Spouse's last name Higgleton Spouse's marital status B <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse's residence Keldon or Easterford Country England
FMP does not have the Essex record for the marriage of John Higgleton to Sarah Pmaplin, so no date, and no place of birth given for John ...........
First name(s) John Last name Higgleton Name note - Marriage year 1814 Marriage date 1814 Marriage place Kelvedon Near Colchester Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Spouse's last name Pamplin County Essex Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
First name(s) John Last name Higgleton Residence Keldon or Easterford <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Marriage year 1822 Marriage date 13 May 1822 Place Kelvedon County Essex Spouse's first name(s) Susan Spouse's last name Green Spouse's marital status S Spouse's residence Keldon or Easterford Country England Event type Marriages Archive Essex Record Office Archive reference D/P 134/1/9 Page number 27 Record set Essex Marriages And Banns 1537-1935
First name(s) Susan Last name Green Residence Keldon or Easterford Marriage year 1822 Marriage date 13 May 1822 Place Kelvedon County Essex Spouse's first name(s) John Spouse's last name Higgleton Spouse's marital status W <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse's residence Keldon or Easterford Country England Event type Marriages Archive Essex Record Office
It definitely looks as though the John who married Hannah might well be the same one who married Susan Green.
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malyon
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19 Feb 2020 18:10 |
susan in 1851
Susan Higgleton England and Wales Census, 1851 Name: Susan Higgleton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1851 Event Place: Kelvedon, Essex, England Registration District: Witham Gender: Female Age: 56 Marital Status: Widow Occupation: Carrier Relationship to Head of Household: Head Birth Year (Estimated): 1795 Birthplace: Halstead, Essex
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malyon
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19 Feb 2020 18:06 |
Deaths Jun 1854 (>99%) Higgleton Susannah Halstead 4a 183
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malyon
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19 Feb 2020 18:02 |
this looks like john and susan in 1841 name spelt higiltone
John Higiltone England and Wales Census, 1841 Name: John Higiltone Event Type: Census Event Date: 1841 Event Place: Kelvedon, Essex, England, United Kingdom Residence Note: Street Gender: Male Age: 45 Age (Original): 45 Birth Year (Estimated): 1792-1796 Birthplace: Essex Registration District: Witham Parish: Kelvedon County: Essex Page Number: 10 Registration Number: HO107 Piece/Folio: 343/32 Affiliate Record Type: Institution Household Role Sex Age Birthplace John Higiltone Male 45 Essex Susan Higiltone Female 43 Essex Sophia Higiltone Female 16 Essex Jane Higiltone Female 8 Essex Alfred Higiltone Male 4 Essex
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ErikaH
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19 Feb 2020 18:00 |
To discover whether both marriages are for the same man, you'll need to visit the County Reords Office to see whether he's described as a widower on the second one
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ErikaH
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19 Feb 2020 17:58 |
Death?
HIGGILTON, JOHN 57 GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in WITHAM Volume 12 Page 275
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ErikaH
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19 Feb 2020 17:52 |
1841
Name: John Hegilton Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1796 Gender: Male Where born: Essex, England Civil Parish: Kelvedon Hundred: Witham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Witham Sub-registration district: Kelvedon Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 343 Book: 9 Folio: 31 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age John Hegilton 45 Susan Hegilton 43 Sophia Hegilton 16 Jane Hegilton 8 Alfred Hegilton 4
You must have worked back to this man somehow - which of his children is the 'line'?
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malyon
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19 Feb 2020 17:51 |
Sarah Higgleton England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Sarah Higgleton Gender: Female Christening Date: 08 Jun 1828 Christening Date (Original): 08 JUN 1828 Christening Place: KELVEDON NEAR COLCHESTER,ESSEX,ENGLAND Death Date: 28 Sep 1834 Father's Name: John Higgleton Mother's Name: Susannah
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