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Arfermo
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18 Feb 2020 12:47 |
Hello--My uncle Alex, who had been a British soldier, returned to England from WW1, in France , in the early 1920's, with a French wife ,Helene Marie ( Glorieux,) and two children. Alexander Auguste & daughter Ninette. My uncle, born in 1889, in Birmingham, returned to that city. Last known to be living there in the 1930's. After 20 yrs, I cannot find him, his wife or children, in any indices, EXCEPT--the son Alexander Auguste Croft, who I recently discovered , left London for Bombay India, on the P&O liner ''Chusan'' 11/9/1950 aged 30. Birmingham address shown. on boarding paper's. AND, his mother , Helene Marie Glorieux , buried, with her maiden name, in Lille France, dated 1966. age 83. NO other documentation for my Uncle Alexander Alfred Croft , or, the daughter Ninette, Nothing. ANY help at all would be very welcome--thank you, Arfermo.
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ErikaH
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18 Feb 2020 12:54 |
Birth year info is vital
Births Dec 1889 (>99%) Croft Alexander Alfred Birmingham 6d 117
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ErikaH
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18 Feb 2020 12:56 |
1939 register
66 Salters Lane, Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England Alexander A Croft 05 Oct 1889 Male Chauffeur Married 181 1 Helene Marie Croft 22 Feb 1883 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 181 2 Joseph Henri Croft 03 Feb 1923 Male Seeking Work Shop Assistant Single 181 3 Plus one closed record
No records are kept of travel to Europe, so, if the family went there at any time, you will not be able to trace their movements
As the wife died there, one would imagine that's what happened
French records are not kept on a national basis - you have to look in the relevant area
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18 Feb 2020 13:24 |
I assume you have this for Alfred?
ALFRED AUGUSTIN Last name CROFT Gender Male Birth day 30 Birth month 8 Birth year 1921 Age - Death quarter 1 Death year 1970 District Birmingham County Warwickshire Volume 9C Page 1205
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 14:00 |
Alexander Alfred Croft in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 Name: Alexander Alfred Croft Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1889 Enlistment Age: 25 Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1917 Marriage Place: St Ower [ St Omer ] Document Year: 1914 Residence Place: Golden Square, Petworth Sussex Regimental Number: 08990 Regiment Name: Army Service Corps Number of Images: 13 Form Title: Short Service Attestation Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Alexander Alfred Croft Self (Head) Helene Marie Joseph Glorrence
Alexander A Croft in the UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1628-1969 Name: Alexander A Croft Gender: Male Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1917 Marriage Place: Saint-Omer Event Type: Marriage Spouse: Helene M J Glorieux Spouse Gender: Female Piece Description: RG 34: Miscellaneous Foreign Marriages, 1826-1921
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 14:04 |
In case you don't have these:
Alexander Alfred-J Croft in the Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955 Name: Alexander Alfred Croft Residence Year: 1939 Ward or Division/Constituency: Moseley Street address: 66 SCRIBER'S LANE Residence Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Alex Alfd Croft in the UK, Midlands and Various UK Trade Directories, 1770-1941 Name: Alex Alfd Croft Region: Birmingham Residence Year: 1936 Publication Title: 1936 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham Street address: 66 Scriber's la. Hall Green
The address on 1939 Register is 66 Scribers Lane, not Salters Lane.
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greyghost
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18 Feb 2020 14:07 |
Do you have your Uncle's Service Records?
British Army Service Records
First name(s) Alexander Alfred Last name Croft Age 25 Birth year 1889 Service number HI/08990 Regiment Army Service Corps Year 1914 Residence town Petworth Residence county Sussex Residence country England Series WO 363 Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents' Archive The National Archives Record set British Army Service Records Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain, UK None
From images - age 25 on enlistment, RC. Regt. No. M1/08990 NOK given as Friend - Miss Maisie Miller, Swan Hotel, Petworth, Sussex
Married 27.11.1917 to Helene Marie Joseph Gloricux a Spinster at Hotel de Ville, St Omer, Pas de Calais. He made a weekly payment to her from that date of £1 17s made up of 9s Separation Allowance and £1 8s Allotment. the address to which payment was to be sent was 36 Rue de Wissocq, St omer, Pas de Calais No children listed on documents Awarded British Medal, Victory Medal and 1914 Star Enlisted 2.11.14 Wounded right Leg 30.4.15
Also dislocated shoulders caused by ? Admitted Belmont Road Auxiliary Hospital, Liverpool 26.3.19 Discharged no longer physically fit 15.7.19 Proceeding on discharge to 6 Rue de ?Trois or Tiors, Marchands Blois, (? Loir) et Cher, France
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 14:09 |
Might he have changed occupation after the War? No indication of age on this:
Alexander A Croft in the British Postal Service Appointment Books, 1737-1969 Name: Alexander A Croft Date Appointed: Feb 1948 Place Appointed: Birmingham
This man was a telegraphist.
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greyghost
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18 Feb 2020 14:23 |
The J denotes eligible for Jury Service
?? Alexander A-J Croft in the Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
Name: Alexander A-J Croft Residence Year: 1950 Ward or Division/Constituency: Sparkbrook Street address: 107 Golden Hillock Road Residence Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
with Alfred A and Bridget Croft
the 1935 and 1939 already posted show him with Helen Marie Joseph Croft. Any children would have been too young to show.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 14:29 |
Aha!
107 Golden Hillock Road is the address for Alexander Augustus when he left the UK in 1950.
And Alexander Augustus is a telephonist - so that will be him in the Post Office 1948 record.
So did his father remarry, to a Bridget ??
ADDED: I can't see any such marriage in England/Wales.
Alfred and Bridget are also together in 1945, at 107 Golden Hillock Road.
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greyghost
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18 Feb 2020 14:34 |
?? England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
First name(s) BRIDGET Last name CROFT Gender Female Birth day 19 Birth month 6 Birth year 1924 Age - Death quarter 3 Death year 2002 District Birmingham District number 0611C Register number C21B Entry number 232 Date of registration mm/yy 0902 County Warwickshire Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Collections from Great Britain, England
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greyghost
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18 Feb 2020 14:35 |
?? A Croft with a French first name and a Bridget marriage
England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
First name(s) HENRI E Last name CROFT Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1947 Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™ HENRI E CROFT married one of these people Bridget M Walsh Spouse's last name Walsh District Kensington District number - County London Country England Volume 5C Volume as transcribed 5C Page number 3199 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
One possible female child born to marriage 1952 Ealing RD
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greyghost
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18 Feb 2020 14:42 |
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
First name(s) HENRI EDMOND Last name CROFT Gender Male Birth day 10 Birth month 8 Birth year 1924 Age - Death quarter 2 Death year 2000 District Medway District number 5611D Register number D19A Entry number 003 Date of registration mm/yy 0600 County Kent Country England
----------------- A copy of the will may give you some details - £1.50 through the site
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk
First name(s) Henri Edmond Last name Croft Death year 2000 Death date 29 Jun 2000 Probate year 2000 Probate date 18 Aug 2000 Registry Brighton Registry county Sussex Country England Document type Grant and will Number 489765 Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1960-2019
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 14:42 |
That's Henry Edmond Croft, address 274 Carlton Ave, Wembley.
Travelling together: Henry Edmond 25 Bridget Mary 25 Bernadette Anne 2.5 months
Bridget Mary Croft in the UK and Ireland, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Bridget Mary Croft Arrival Age: 25 Birth Date: abt 1924 Port of Departure: Port Harcourt, Nigeria Arrival Date: 22 Aug 1949 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Port Harcourt and Takoradi Ship Name: David Livingstone Shipping Line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd Official Number: 161146
There are several travel records between Africa and UK.
In 1951, 1953, 1954, 1957, the address is 9 Shurland Ave, Drysdown on Sea, Sheerness.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 14:47 |
Can't see any sign of Joseph Henri (from 1939 Register). Presumably born in France.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 14:47 |
Arfermo - when was Ninette born, please?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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18 Feb 2020 14:57 |
If the records are open on the 1939 record then deaths must have been picked surely?
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ErikaH
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18 Feb 2020 14:59 |
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Marriages Sep 1949 (>99%) Croft Joseph H O'Brien Birmingham 9c 1831 S O'Brien Mary T Croft Birmingham 9c 1831
One probable daughter on freebmd
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 15:09 |
Alexander A and Bridget are also at 107 Golden Hillock Road in 1945, with Joseph M (should be H ?) Croft and Helena M Croft .
Don't know if Helena M is Alexander's wife or his daughter. If his wife, who is Bridget ??
Or was Ninette officially Helena, perhaps?
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2020 18:03 |
Joseph H and Mary T in 1955:
Joseph H Croft in the Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955 Name: Joseph H Croft Residence Year: 1955 Ward or Division/Constituency: Hall Green Street address: 26 Halewood Grove Residence Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Probably (as she's the only Mary T O'Brien born in Birmingham in a reasonable year) -:
Mary Theresa Croft in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Mary Theresa Croft Death Age: 62 Birth Date: 12 Oct 1919 Registration Date: Apr 1982 [May 1982] [Jun 1982] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: West Midlands Volume: 32 Page: 1167
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