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Mabel F Holder
Gender:
Female
Marital status:
Married
Birth Date:
26 Jul 1900
Residence Year:
1939
Residence Place:
Willesden, Middlesex, England
Occupation:
Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number:
117
Sub Schedule Number:
2
Enumeration District:
BXAM
Registration district:
129/1
Household Members:
Name
George Edward Holder 19 Nov 1902
Mabel F Holder

Have as of yet been able to find any sort of birth for this lady she was not married to George Edward Holder -- I do have a birth cert for a daughter maiden name given as Fulker she died June Q 1942 41 years

Any Ideas or help gratefully received

Mavis

More info from FMP's 1939

Mabel F Holder's life in 1939
17 Lulworth Court, Willesden M.B., Middlesex, England

Household
(5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
George B Holder 19 Nov 1900 Male Work An Painter - 117 2
Mabel F Holder 26 Jul 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties - 117 3
Roy George (Annie) Holder 16 Jun 1925 Male Apprentice Wood Machinist Single 117 4
+ 2 closed records

Ref: RG101/0963C/015/27 Letter Code: BXAM

It's a typed sheet, George's details are partly obscured by a redaction on the line above.

I can't see the (Annie) that's in the transcript by Roy's name and I can't see a Roy G Holder or Fulker b 1925. Plenty of Roy G's all over the place !

Deaths Jun 1942 (>99%)
Holder Mabel F 41 Willesden 3a 436

There is this Roy G Holder birth but a year later

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1926 (>99%)
HOLDER Roy G Laurie Marylebone 1a 679

who may be a child of this marriage -

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1926 (>99%)
Champion Edwin F F Hughes Marylebone 1a 1551
Holder George E Laurie Marylebone 1a 1551 <<<<<<<
Hughes Annie Champion Marylebone 1a 1551
Laurie Gertrude M Holder Marylebone 1a 1551 <<<<<<<<

another 4 Holder / Laurie births 1928-1931on freebmd, Paddington/Kensington all female but can't all be from the same marriage (2 in Sept. Qtr).

Toy say Mable was not married to George Edward. Do you mean that they were just living together or that she was married to someone else?

Only one Holder/Fulker birth on freebmd

could this be mabel
mariied to james foulger name miss spelt

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
Name:
Mabel F Rumble
Event Type:
Marriage Registration
Event Place:
Islington, London, England
Registration District:
Islington
County:
London
Registration Year:
1921
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Page:
365
Affiliate Line Number:
76
Volume:
1B
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Foulger
Possible Spouse:
James W W Foulger

the birth certificate you have for a daughter, please can you say whose daughter she was?

edit
sorry I read your OP as a daughter who died in 1942 but I assume you mean Mabel died in 1942

at the moment I am presuming the Fulker is her maiden name as given on
the birth cert I have

George Edward Holder was married to Gertrude Laurie when she found out he was a naughty boy she left --- in 1939 she is back with her family there is 4 children of this marriage ---- I believe there are 3 children with Mabel only found one

Mavis

the Mabel Rumble marriage definitely says Foulger in both signature and details plus she was age 26 so too old for Mabel Holder

So the birth on freebmd for Roy G in 1926 is the boy on 1939 - with a wrong birth year recorded, and he's not related to Mabel

EDIT:
Oops, didn't see Mavis and Erika's posts above - but will leave the below for info.


Roy G's death - so he'll be the 1926 birth, and the son of George E and Gertrude (per 1926 marriage cert);

Mr Roy George Holder
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2018
Name: Mr Roy George Holder
Gender: Male
Age: 80
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1926 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Last Residence: Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Postal Code District: IP28
Death Date: 30 May 2006


Gertude in 1939, with her parents and siblings:


Gertrude M Holder
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Gertrude M Holder
[Gertrude M Grant]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 7 May 1903
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 56
Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Examiner Inst Maker Air
Schedule Number: 155
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: BXJE
Registration district: 129-2
Household Members:
Name
Joseph Laurie - 1878
Julia L Laurie - 1877
Gertrude M Holder
Elbert J Laurie - 1906
Stanley F Laurie - 1908
Elsie H Laurie - 1911
Mary J Stone

She says she's married - so George has presumably shacked up with Mabel.

She's still living with the siblings in 1954:

Gertrude M Holder
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Gertrude M Holder
Electoral Date: 1954
Street address: 56 Ellesmere Road [ Dewsbury Road on image ]
Ward or Division/Constituency: Willesden East
County or Borough: Willesden, England
Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0864

Remarried in 1958 (Grant).


Doesn't help with finding out who Mabel is, though.



George's death:

George Edward Holder
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: George Edward Holder
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1902
Registration Date: Jan 1980
[Feb 1980]
[Mar 1980]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Westminster
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 2198

I am doing the tree for one of the daughters of George and Gertrude but treading
careful as family members are still alive -- one half of the family know the other half
but not a lot known about Mabel

Mavis

Do you know what the F stands for in Mabel's name?

There are 44 birth reg's Sept. Qtr 1900 on freebmd for Mabel F Anything (correct Qtr reg. if DOB given is correct), most for Mabel Florence but not all.

Have just gone through them in the hopes that Mabel had perhaps given her own mmn mistakenly at registration, but none show up. None look as though they could be corrupted to Fulker.

No Mabel F Fulker births Scotland

Next would perhaps be to see if all can be chased down as Died or married pre 1939

Maybe Mabel wasn't born UK

Her death cert would presumably give her full middle name.

if mabel f holder died in 1942 she must have married george b holder

No she mustn’t. She would just have taken his name.

He was married to someone else!

Death reg on GRO

HOLDER, MABEL FULKER 41
GRO Reference: 1942 J Quarter in WILLESDEN Volume 03A Page 436

Have decided to get a PDF of Mabel F Holder's death to see what the F is

thanks for help so far

Mavis

Mavis, it's F for Fulker as it says on the GRO.