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Ellen Elizabeth Bell born abt 1882
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ArgyllGran | Report | 8 Feb 2020 16:58 |
Possible marriage of Leonard: |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 16:36 |
Thank you everyone, I think between us all the obvious items for Ellen Elizabeth have been traced. I've found another child born 1914 on the GRO index, so some more work to do on the family. Note to self to take the blinkers off I seem to have a blind spot sometimes when it comes to possible illegitimate births! |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 8 Feb 2020 16:29 |
That would explain the muddle in 1911. |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 16:26 |
ArgyllGran, I don't think they were separated other than by James working elsewhere in 1911, they had at least one more child after 1911 - still researching that. |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 16:21 |
ArgyllGran - I think you're right, it fits. One of her sister's did the same thing, acting as housekeeper to a widower miner with kids. I'm guessing neither of them would have got much more than food and board. |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 8 Feb 2020 16:17 |
Looking at the 1911 census image, I wonder if James and Ellen had separated ? |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 8 Feb 2020 16:11 |
I think this is Ellen in 1901, with her name wrongly given as Grey instead of Guy - enumerator's mistake: |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 15:55 |
Have I think solved the 1911 census issue having looked at both Maddie's census refs. It looks like John Henry was with his father and brother in Pinxton. I've also established that James was a patient in Mapperley Hospital on the 1939 Reg. The missing item is where Ellen was in 1901 as I can't yet find her on the census. I've tracked down the scan of the marriage reg and the other items referred to above, thanks everyone for pointing me to those and identifying the initial issue that Ellen was born Guy not Bell. |
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Maddie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 15:54 |
his death ??? |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 15:42 |
Have just noticed that James isn't listed on the 1939 reg with the family, Ellen isn't listed as a widow. |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 15:40 |
Maddie, yes i've just come across this odd 1911 census entry, the place of birth on the top line is right for Ellen. The thought crossed my mind that she might have been a suffragette and dissenting from being included, or they simply made a mess of completing the form. |
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Maddie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 15:26 |
WILLIAM HENRY |
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Maddie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 15:14 |
James ??? |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 15:05 |
Thanks Maddie |
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Maddie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 14:58 |
ELLEN E |
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Maddie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 14:57 |
1939 |
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safc | Report | 8 Feb 2020 14:31 |
Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 14:28 |
Erika, I had already done that following safc flagging the entry up. As my further comment indicates this is her second illegitimate child. The other one Sarah actually married George Bell's oldest son from his first marriage. |
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Maddie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 14:27 |
Name: Ellen Elizabeth Guy |
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Julie | Report | 8 Feb 2020 14:25 |
Margaret M, yes, Ann Elizabeth was George's second wife, they married just over 3 mths after he lost his first wife, he had 3 kids 5 and under so would have been desparate for someone to look after them. Ann already had another illegimate daughter living with her parents, although oddly she was still with her grandparents in 1891. I hadn't considered that she might have had a second illegimate child. |