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Hi All, have parents of viv born 1908 but no info on her, can any please help, said she died in France in 1998

Is this her birth??

PRYCE, JOY VIVIENNE mms BARTLETT
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 636

could be

You say, "have parents of viv".

Parents' marriage ??:

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Bartlett Vivienne Wandsworth 1d 1205
Pryce Howard Lloyd Wandsworth 1d 1205

If they're the right parents, the mother Vivienne is with her own parents in 1911, married, but not with daughter:

Vioienne Pryce
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Vioienne Pryce
[Vivienne Pryce]
[Vioienne Bartlete]
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ham, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 22 Cedars Road, Clapham Common S W
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 2252
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert Fogel Trom Bartlete 63
France Mery Bartlete 63
Ethel Constance Bartlete 32
Laura Simpson 30
Elizabeth Fiffe 28
Ethel Elpick 23
Vioienne Pryce 29 - married
Fanny Wych 38


Death of mother Vivienne ??

Vivienne Lloyd-pryce
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Vivienne Lloyd-pryce
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: abt 1881
Registration Date: Jan 1956
[Feb 1956]
[Mar 1956]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Bodmin
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 7a
Page: 28

Vivienne Joy's baptism:-

First name(s) Vivienne Joy Chamberlain
Last name Pryce
Birth year -
Baptism year 1908
Baptism date 28 Jul 1908
Baptism place Warblington
Dedication St Thomas
Denomination Anglican
Residence Warblington
Father's first name(s) Howard Lloyd
Mother's first name(s) Vivienne
County Hampshire
Country England
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1890-1965
Archive reference CHU 19/1B/3
Page 25
Archive
Portsmouth History Centre
Record set Hampshire, Portsmouth Baptisms

Kath. x

Can't see Vivienne senior's husband in censuses after 1871:

Howard Lloyd Pryce
in the Kent, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1538-1914
Name: Howard Lloyd Pryce
Gender: Male
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 16 Nov 1862
Baptism Place: Bromley, Kent, England
Father: Francis Horatio Pryce
Mother: Lucy Jane Pryce


Howard Pryce
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Howard Pryce
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1863
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Bromley Kent England
Civil Parish: Beckenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Beckenham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 192
Piece: 872
Folio: 146
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Pryce 48
Lucy Pryce 42
Howard Pryce 8
Owen Pryce 6
Alice Pryce 20
Eliza Beck 22
Mary Bentley 19




Perhaps he worked abroad ??

Howard Lloyd Pryce
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Howard Lloyd Pryce
Arrival Age: 54
Birth Date: abt 1866
Port of Departure: Africa
Arrival Date: 26 Jul 1920
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Port Harcourt; Opobo; Accra; Sekondi; Bathurst; Las Palmas
Ship Name: Salaga
Shipping Line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd
Official Number: 124035

Occupation: Colonial civil servant.
Address in UK: 13 Spencer Road, Southsea, Hants.



Howard L Pryce
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Howard L Pryce
Death Age: 66
Birth Date: abt 1866
Registration Date: Jan 1932
[Feb 1932]
[Mar 1932]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 962



Howard Lloyd Pryce
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Howard Lloyd Pryce
Death Date: 23 Feb 1932
Death Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Probate Date: 14 May 1932
Probate Registry: London, England

PRYCE Howard Lloyd of 13 Spencer Road, Southsea, Portsmouth died 23 February 1932.
Probate London 13 May to Vivienne Pryce, widow. Effects: £3430 0s 4d.
Resealed Georgetown (British Guiana) 11 October 1932.

I can't find anything else for Vivienne Joy Chamberlain Pryce.

Kath. x

thanks all, will keep trying

No sign of her in 1939 Register - though I suppose could be a closed record if died abroad.

But can't see her parents either - presumably Howard was abroad - probably with wife and child.

Nothing else on Vivienne Joy / Joy Vivienne.

Vivienne senior's father's probate:

Herbert Foglestrom Bartlett
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Herbert Foglestrom Bartlett
Death Date: 31 Oct 1923
Death Place: Hampshire, England
Probate Date: 13 Dec 1923
Probate Registry: London, England



BARTLETT Sir Herbert Foglestrom of 49 Salisbury Road, Southsea, Portsmouth,Hampshire, knight, died 31 October 1923.
Probate London 13 December to

>>>>> Howard Lloyd Pryce, retired Commissioner of West Africa <<<<<<<

and Ethel Constance Roberts, widow.
Effects: £7474 6s 2d.

Vivienne senior travelling alone:

Vivienne Lloyd Peice
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Vivienne Lloyd Peice
Arrival Age: 52
Birth Date: abt 1885
Port of Departure: San Antonio, Chile
Arrival Date: 11 Jul 1937
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Liverpool; Valparaiso; Mejillones; Antofagasta; Iquique; Paita; Callao; Pisco; Lobitos; La Libertad; Cristbal; Kingston; Havana; Nassau; Bermuda and La Pallice
Ship Name: Orduna
Shipping Line: Pacific Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 135539

Address in UK: 13 Spencer Road, Southsea.

Ancestry suggests that this is Joy Vivienne in 1911:

Joy Noyd [ Lloyd ] Pryce
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Joy Noyd Pryce
Age in 1911: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Clapham Common
Civil Parish: Havant
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Connaught House, 1St Avenue, Denville, Havant, Hants
Registration district: Havant
Registration District Number: 89
Sub-registration district: Havant
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 5473
Household Members:
Name Age
Joy Noyd Pryce 2
Emma Leggatt 20 - servant
Marian Ruffle 36 - head, nurse


Ancestry's transcription wrongly includes the names of people in a neighbouring household, so I've omitted them.

Weirdly, the form has been signed in the name of Joy Lloyd Pryce, in spite of the fact that she's two years old, and not the head of the household.

"Head" has been added to Marian Ruffle's name later. I suppose she didn't initially call herself "head" because she was only an employee.

I wonder if maybe the house belonged to Howard, but if Joy was the only family member there, and Marian only an employee, maybe Marian signed Joy's name instead of her own.
Perhaps Howard was abroad, Vivienne senior was with her parents as we have already seen, and maybe Joy was left in the care of staff on the night of the census, if not longer.


Photo of Connaught House here:

https://tinyurl.com/wfkbkpj

Howard is listed here:

"Travelling Commissioners of the North Bank of the Gambia River
1902 - 1920 Howard Lloyd Pryce (d. 1932)"
[ and others ]

https://www.worldstatesmen.org/Gambia.html

Also here:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28505/supplement/4594/data.pdf
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/12365/page/624/data.pdf



And here:

" Howard Lloyd Price, who was appointed a Travelling Commissioner in the Gambia in October 1896, was attached to the Gambia Field Force during the operations of January to March 1901. The expedition was mounted in response to the murder of two of his fellow Travelling Commissioners, Messrs. Sitwell and Silva, with their escort of six Constables, at a village called Sandandi. Pryce’s subsequent appointments in the Gambia included a stint as Acting Chief Magistrate from July to October of 1903, and as a 1st Class Travelling Commissioner in the North Bank Province from January of the following year. Advanced to Senior Commissioner, Gambia in 1912, he finally retired in 1920. Also the recipient of a C.M.G. (gazetted in 1911), he died in February 1932."

https://tinyurl.com/vymc3tc

You say she died in France. What was her name at the time?

She also had a brother and sister.

Herbert died in the War but what about Angela?

http://www.hambo.org/lancing/view_man.php?id=118

Rose

PRYCE, ANGELA MARY mms BARTLETT
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in HAVANT Volume 02B Page 701

Can't see her death as Pryce.

Think she died as Lithgow.

Alan has these names in his tree on here. Have you tried contacting him? Appears he is related to Angela.

Rose

She appears in the 1939 register as Angela Lythgoe/Lithgow or Pelcher.

Rose

could joy have been adopted