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Lydia Helena Alden

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LaGooner

LaGooner Report 18 Jan 2020 17:49

I have Lydia born 1869. Bloomsbury, London to John and Eleanor Alden. I have found all records including birth/marriage and death and 1871/1901/1911 but there is no trace of her on 1881 and 1891 census so would someone be so kind as to see if they can find her for me please.

EDIT I forgot to mention she married JohnEdward Saysell in 1888(London) and in 1901 they are living in Derby

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 18:21

Which website are you using?

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 18 Jan 2020 18:30

I have tried Ancestry and Findmypast I have both

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jan 2020 18:30

John Edwin, not John Edward:

John Edwin Saysell
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Edwin Saysell
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 712
Records on Page:
Name
Lydia Helena Alden
John Edwin Saysell


Their many children, per 1901 and 1911 censuses, were all born in London, starting with Percival in 1889.

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 18 Jan 2020 18:33

That' s the fella just me mis typing,sorry

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jan 2020 18:33

Lydia actually born 1868:

Lydia Eleanor Alden
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Lydia Eleanor Alden
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1868
Baptism Date: 8 Nov 1868
Baptism Place: St Giles in the Fields, Holborn, Camden, England
Father: John Alden
Mother: Eleanor Alden


ALDEN, LYDIA HELENA mms JONES
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 587

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 18 Jan 2020 18:36

Thank you I will correct that on my records

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jan 2020 18:42

I can't even see the Alden parents in 1881.

Nor Percival Saysell in 1891 - though he was at school in London in 1895:


Percival Saysell
in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Percival Saysell
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1889
Admission Date: 16 Sep 1895
School: Church Street School
Father: John Saysell
Notes: Church Street School opened in 1892. Became William Patten Primary in 1951

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 18 Jan 2020 18:46

I couldn't find any of them either. She is not with Mum and Dad on 1891 in Islington

greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Jan 2020 20:10

Name: John Edwin Saysell
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1867
Marriage Date: 1 Apr 1888
Marriage Place: West Hackney, Hackney, England
Father: John Darby Saysell
Spouse: Lydia Helena Alden
Register Type: Parish Register
Save

From image - John 21, Lydia 19.
John is a Drapers ?Collector. His Father is a draper.
Lydia's Father is a commission Agent
Witnesses - John Alden and Rebecca Emma Bordman

greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Jan 2020 20:17

20.9.1894 - son Charles Sidney (b Portsmouth) baptised St Thomas, Islington, but address given as 58 Eighteen -? Road, Portsmouth. Father is recorded as a Traveller

View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: John Edwin Saysell
Gender: Male
Spouse: Sydia Helena Saysell
Child: Charles Sidney Saysell

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 18 Jan 2020 20:18

That is the marriage I have for them. The whole of this family are proving a nightmare as other members are nowhere to be found either. Do you think it possible that these census records have been mislaid or destroyed as it is the same period of time that I am having problems with.

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 18 Jan 2020 20:18

That is the marriage I have for them. The whole of this family are proving a nightmare as other members are nowhere to be found either. Do you think it possible that these census records have been mislaid or destroyed as it is the same period of time that I am having problems with.

malyon

malyon Report 18 Jan 2020 20:58

John Alden
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name:
John Alden
County:
Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1861
Event Place:
England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
, Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad,
Registration District:
Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad
Gender:
Male
Age:
17
Marital Status:
Single
Occupation:
Boy 1 Class
Birth Year (Estimated):
1844
Birthplace:
..., Norfolk
Page Number:
5
Registration Number:
RG09
Piece/Folio:
4437 / 193
Affiliate Record Type:
Household

malyon

malyon Report 18 Jan 2020 21:01

this must be percival called percy aged 4

John Alden
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name:
John Alden
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1891
County:
London
Parish:
Islington
Ecclesiastical Parish:
ST JOHNS
Registration District:
Islington
Gender:
Male
Age:
47
Marital Status:
Married
Occupation:
Private Enquiry Agent
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Birth Year (Estimated):
1844
Birthplace:
Norfolk, England
Page Number:
32
Registration Number:
RG12
Piece/Folio:
174/ 186
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Alden Head Male 47 Norfolk, England
Eleanor Alden Wife Female 43 Buckinghamshire, England
Charles H Alden Son Male 21 London, England
Herbert W Alden Son Male 19 Essex, England
Alice E Alden Daughter Female 17 St Giles, London, England
John E Alden Son Male 16 London, England
Frederick W Alden Son Male 14 London, England
Robert C Alden Son Male 13 London, England
William A Alden Son Male 10 London, England
Henry G Alden Son Male 8 London, England
George A Alden Son Male 7 London, England
Percy A Alden Son Male 4 London, England
Leonard Alden Son Male 3 London, England
Sidney E Alden Son Male 0 London, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jan 2020 21:10

No, malyon.

~that's a different Percy.
The one I mentioned before, born 1889, was the son of Lydia and John Saysell.

The one you've found in 1891 census is a brother of Lydia.

ALDEN, PERCY ARTHUR mms JONES
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 358

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 18 Jan 2020 22:17

Can't seem to find Alice's birth. That might be close to the 1891 census.

Rose

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 18 Jan 2020 22:25

Rose, she was born 29th September 1868,Holborn, London

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 18 Jan 2020 22:34

No, the Alice Violet born c1892 mentioned in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

Rose

malyon

malyon Report 18 Jan 2020 22:35

Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
Saysell Percival John E Islington 1b 208