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ErikaH
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15 Jan 2020 10:55 |
The Parker fammily posted for 1911 is not connected. It's a separate sheet, accurately transcribed on FMP.
Ancestry have messed it up.
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ArgyllGran
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15 Jan 2020 10:35 |
Sorry - confusion my fault, in posting that wrong 1911 census! I hadn't paid enough attention to Martha's death date.
There's a Robinson/Faulkner marriage in 1878 in Salford , with no apparent subsequent children, which fits that wrong 1911 couple.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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15 Jan 2020 09:48 |
William is a widower by 1911
William Robinson Age in 1911: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation to Head: Father Gender: Male Birth Place: Birkenhead Civil Parish: Birkenhead Search Photos: Search for 'Birkenhead' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: 23 Upper Beckwith Street Marital status: Widowed Occupation: Coal Heaver Registration district: Birkenhead Registration District Number: 452 Sub-registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Piece: 21998 Household Members: Name Age Charles John Parker 28 Mary Jane Parker 29 Sarah Mason Parker 9 William Robinson 55 John Robinson 22 Charels Robinson 18 Margaret Robinson 30 Margaret Robinson
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ErikaH
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15 Jan 2020 09:48 |
Marriage AMJ 1880 does not tally with 32 complete years of marriage at time of 1911 census
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SylviaInCanada
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15 Jan 2020 01:07 |
My conclusion is that the 1911 Census is wrong, but I have not found William in the 1911 Census
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SylviaInCanada
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15 Jan 2020 00:39 |
Re-posting the 1911 Census
Name: Mrs Martha Robinson Age in 1911: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Chedle, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Pendleton Search Photos: Search for 'Pendleton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 94 Tootal Drive Pendleton Salford Marital status: Married Registration district: Salford Registration District Number: 465 Sub-registration district: Pendleton ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Piece: 23948 Household Members: Name Age William Robinson 53 b. Bury, Lancashire, Painter & Decorator Martha Robinson 50 Robert Armstrong 23 Boarder, Confectioner
from image:- Married 32 years. NO children
It most definitely says NONE for children against Martha's name
Sooooooooooooo ..............
why are there Robinson/Brabander births??????????????
BUT AG has also found a death for a Martha Robinson in 1906, with a birth date of ca 1864.
There's something wrong here!!!
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Fetlar13
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14 Jan 2020 13:15 |
Thank you all so much for all your help, some fascinating stuff in there!
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14 Jan 2020 12:45 |
Marriage: 4 Aug 1857 St Matthias, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Theodore Francois Debrabander - 20, Mariner, Bachelor, Birkenhead Mary Ann Rinen - (X), 17, Spinster, Denison St Liverpool Groom's Father: Johannes Baptiste Debrabander, Master Mariner Bride's Father: John Rinen, Carpenter Witness: David McCowen, (X); Ann McClaughlan, (X) Married by Licence by: John R Pilling Register: Marriages 1850 - 1877, Page 78, Entry 155 Source: LDS Film 1656207
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2020 12:45 |
For elimination only -
NOT Theodore Francois's parents' marriage - this is dated 1858
Joannes Baptista Franciscus De Brabander in the Antwerp, Belgium, Civil Registration, 1796-1906 Name: Joannes Baptista Franciscus De Brabander Gender: Male Spouse: Jacoba Antonia Warens
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I suppose it could be a second marriage for Theodore François's father.
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ErikaH
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14 Jan 2020 12:45 |
Confirms my posting at 12:24
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2020 12:35 |
No, Mary Ann Riner must be the same person as Bridget Ryan.
Here's the son John's birth:
DEBRABANDER, JOHN mms RYAN GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 453
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2020 12:32 |
The family before Martha's birth. Looks like Bridget Ryan was a second wife:
John De Eabander in the 1861 England Census Name: John De Eabander [John De Brabander] Age: 2 Estimated birth year: 1859 Relation: Son Father's name: Francis De Eabander Mother's name: Mary De Eabander Gender: Male Where born: Bhead, Cheshire, England [Birkenhead, Cheshire, England] Civil Parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Birkenhead County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Birkenhead Sub-registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 2642 Folio: 44 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Francis De Eabander 25 - Antwerp, Belgium Mary De Eabander 22 - Liverpool John De Eabander 2
Mary Ann Riner in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Mary Ann Riner Gender: Female Marriage Age: 17 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1840 Marriage Date: 4 Aug 1857 Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Matthias, Lancashire, England Father: John Riner Spouse: Theodore Francois Debrabander
Theodore's father: Johannes Baptiste Debrabander
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ErikaH
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14 Jan 2020 12:31 |
1881
Name: Francis Brabinder Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Bridget Brabinder Gender: Male Where born: Belgium Civil Parish: Birkenhead County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: 23 Cumberland Pl Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Rigger (Ship) Registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Piece: 3582 Folio: 32 Page Number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Francis Brabinder 43 Bridget Brabinder 41 Charles Brabinder 11 Catherine Brabinder 3
Martha's mother
Name: Bridget Ryan Age: 0 Birth Date: 15 Dec 1839 Baptism Date: 30 Dec 1839 Baptism Place: St Mary's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: John Ryan Mother: Margaret Ryan
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Fetlar13
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14 Jan 2020 12:27 |
Confirms that the family came from the Low Countries,
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2020 12:26 |
Martha Robinson in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Martha Robinson Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Registration Year: 1906 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 42 Registration district: Birkenhead Inferred County: Cheshire Volume: 8a Page: 315
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2020 12:25 |
Mrs Martha Robinson in the 1911 England Census Name: Mrs Martha Robinson Age in 1911: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Chedle, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Pendleton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Marital status: Married Household Members: Name Age William Robinson 53 Martha Robinson 50 Robert Armstrong 23
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jan 2020 12:24 |
Martha Robinson in the 1891 England Census Name: Martha Robinson Gender: Female Age: 29 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1862 Spouse: William Robinson Child: Margaret Robinson George Robinson Mary E Robinson John Robinson Martha Robinson Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne Residence Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Registration district: Birkenhead Sub registration district: Birkenhead ED, Institution or Vessel: 38 Neighbors: Piece: 2886 Folio: 108 Household Members: Name Age William Robinson 32 Martha Robinson 29 Margaret Robinson 10 George Robinson 9 Mary E Robinson 7 John Robinson 2 Martha Robinson 1
Martha Robinson in the 1901 England Census Name: Martha Robinson Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: William Robinson Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Birkenhead Sub-registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Neighbors: Piece: 3393 Folio: 124 Page Number: 10 Household schedule number: 59 Household Members: Name Age William Robinson 43 Martha Robinson 39 Margaret Robinson 20 George Robinson 18 Mary E Robinson 17 John Robinson 12 Martha Robinson 11 Charles H Robinson 6 Kate Robinson
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ErikaH
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14 Jan 2020 12:24 |
DEBRABANDER, MARTHA (MMN) RYAN GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 480
DEBRABANDER, JOHN RYAN GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 453
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MargaretM
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14 Jan 2020 12:24 |
Possibly Martha in 1871?
Martha Brabande
in the 1871 England Census View 1871 England Census
Name: Martha Brabande Age: 9 Estimated birth year: 1862 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Birkenhead Cheshire England Civil Parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne Town: Birkenhead County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Birkenhead Sub-registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Household schedule number: 146 Piece: 3749 Folio: 18 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Francis Brabande 34 Bridget Brabande 32 John Brabande 19 Martha Brabande 9
Edit: Note that son John is only 13 tears younger than Bridget. Chas Brabande 1
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Fetlar13
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14 Jan 2020 12:23 |
Wow thanks that's fantastic!!
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