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Could anybody down under tell me the names of the parents of Professor Howard Worner born 1913. His parents originated in Somerset England - or maybe just his father came from Somerset and married an Australian Lady when he arrived down under. and I am trying to trace which branch of the Worner family he descended from. Thanks in anticipation
jennifer

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Howard Knox Worner
in the Victoria, Australia, Birth Index, 1837-1917
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Name: Howard Knox Worner
Birth Registration Date: 1913
Birth Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Jno Worner
Mother Maiden Name: Castles
Reference Number: 26621

??? if correct birth, then this would be the marriage

Jno Worner
in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950
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Name: Jno Worner
Spouse Name: Ruth Jane Hort Ida Castles
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1912
Registration Number: 6629

Slightly different details for spouse here

Jno Worner
in the Victoria, Australia, Marriage Index, 1837-1950
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Name: Jno Worner
Gender: Male
Marriage Registration Year: 1912
Marriage Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Spouse: Ida Clara Ruth Jane Hart Arm Castles
Reference Number: 6629
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There's lots about him online - though no parents names.
He had a brother Neil, and another brother, unnamed;

https://tinyurl.com/skn4qy8

"You were born in 1913 at Swan Hill, in the Mallee district of Victoria. Your father was a farmer, wasn't he?

He was. All the way back that I can trace, on the male side there were farmers in Somerset and on my great-grandmother's side there were farmers' wives in southern Scotland."


Also:
http://www.eoas.info/biogs/P000917b.htm
https://tinyurl.com/ufecdk6
https://tinyurl.com/rznkcse

Thank you for that rapid response.

I cant find anybody called Jno Worner on either of teh two census reports from 1911 and 1901. Seems a strange abbreviation for John.

Jen

Jno can be for Jonathan

View Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: John Worner
Gender: Male
Electoral Date: 1919
Electoral Place: Quambatook, Wimmera, Victoria , Australia

a Farmer with Ida Clara, address listed as Korrak Korrak

whether or not it's coincidence there is a Reginald John Worner also a Farmer listed between the two of them, address Yassam via Mystic Park ?

OBITUARY
MR JOHN WORNER
The death occurred on Wednesday
at his residence, 29 Magnolia road,
Ivanhoe, of Mr John Worner. The
deceased, who is survived by his wife,
was the father of Spt E, P. Womer,
1st and 2nd AIF, Shepparton, Win.
(Mrs C. Deeble), Bert (killed in ac
tion, 1st AIF), Reg, Jose (deceased,
1st AIP), Roden (RAAF), Alan, How
ard, Neil (RAAF) and Hill,

Shepparton Advertiser (Vic. : 1914 - 1953)
Fri 19 Nov 1943
Page 2



https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/175186380?searchTerm=john%20worner&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria



WORNER.-On November 10, at his resi
dence, 29 Magnolia road, Ivanhoe, John, be
loved husband of Ida Worner, and loved
father of Win. (Mrs. O. Deeble), Perry (1st
and 2nd ALF.). Bert (killed in action, 1st
A.I.F.), Reg., Jose (deceased, 1st A.I.F.),
Roden (R.AA.F.). Alan, Howard, Neil
(R.A.A.F.), and Hill.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957)
Fri 12 Nov 1943
Page 2
Family Notices

View Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Howard Knox Worner
Gender: Male
Electoral Date: 1936
Electoral Place: Coburg, Bourke, Victoria , Australia

A Student.
With Ida Clara, John a Farmer and Neil Murray Worner a Student
At 100 Melville Road

Name: Neil Murray Worner
Birth Registration Date: 1914
Birth Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Jno Worner
Mother Maiden Name: Castles
Reference Number: 35773


Was John married twice - son Roden named in obituary - mmn Stephens

Roden Jas Worner
Victoria, Australia, Birth Index, 1837-1917 No Image
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Name: Roden Jas Worner
Birth Registration Date: 1901
Birth Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Jno Worner
Mother Maiden Name: Stephens
Reference Number: 12144

(Reginald John, Mother also Stephens)

?????? - if so Josiah and Agnes would be Howard's Grandparents (and Agnes Lowrie sounds a bit on the Scottish side to me) ?A leap of faith
John Worner
in the Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name: John Worner
Birth Date: Abt 1864
Birth Place: Branxholme, Victoria
Registration Year: 1864
Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Josiah Worner
Mother: Agnes Lowrie
Registration Number: 20193

That's the family. The prof Howard had two brothers Neil and Hill. Well done. Thanks.
Jen

??? A link to a Farmer in Somerset

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Martock, Yeovil, Somerset, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Worner Head Married Male 65 1786 Farmer 140 Acres 5 Men Martock, Somerset, England
Elizabeth Worner Wife Married Female 60 1791 Farmers Wife Martock, Somerset, England
George Worner Son Unmarried Male 18 1833 Farmers Son Martock, Somerset, England
Mary Worner Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 Farmers Daur Martock, Somerset, England
John Worner Son - Male 15 1836 Farmers Son Martock, Somerset, England
Emanuel Worner Son - Male 13 1838 Scholar Martock, Somerset, England
Anna Worner Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Martock, Somerset, England
Josiah Worner Servant Unmarried Male 22 1829 Ag Lab Martock, Somerset, England

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Possibly Josiah 1841

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Long Load, Martock, Yeovil, Somerset, England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Worner Male 70 1771 Somerset, England IND (Independent Means?)
Josiah Worner Male 14 1827 Somerset, England
John Worner Male 10 1831 Somerset, England
Josiah Worner's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

That's the family. The prof Howard had two brothers Neil and Hill. Well done. Thanks.
Jen

I think John was married more than once. Was looking at these yesterday. https://www.cwgc.org

WORNER
Private
JOSIAH MORROW

30 November 1918
WILLIAMSTOWN GENERAL CEMETERY Meth. F. 41-5. 1. (GRM/3*).
Australian Infantry Base Depot
Australian

(Jose?)



PrivateWORNER, ALBERT EDWIN

Service Number 3984

Died 28/07/1916

Aged 21

23rd Bn.
Australian Infantry, A.I.F.

Son of John Worner, of Mystic Park, Kerang, Victoria, and the late Alicia Worner.

(Bert?)



Swan Hill Guardian and Lake Boga Advocate (Vic. : 1914 - 1918)
Thu 5 Dec 1918
Page 2
Swan Hill Guardian

The death took place on Saturday of
Josiah Morrow Worner, fourth son of
Mr. John Worner of Mystic Park. The
deceased was a returned soldier and had
received his discharge, when he con
trataed meningitis., from which he
passed away at the Fairfield Hospital.
Sincere regret is felt for the bereaved
parents by a wide circle of friends.


Kerang New Times (Vic. : 1901 - 1918)
Tue 30 Aug 1910
Page 2
OBITUARY

The many friends of Mr John
Worner will regret to hear of the
death of his wife Alicia, at the age of
48 years, the sad event taking place at
her residence, Mystic Park, last Fri
day.
The deceased came
to Mystic Park at an early age with
er father, Mr Fred Stephens, who
was one of the earliest settlers in that
district.

This Worner appears to have links to the family in Somerset found by greyghost.


first families 2001 Details First Family Member Details
Descendants

First Family Member Details
Surname: RODFORD
Given Name(s): James
Occupation(s): Farmer

Birth Details
Birth Town: Martock
Birth County,
Region, Province: Somerset
Birth Country: England
Birth Date: 1813

Death Details
Death Town: Maitland East
Death State/Territory: NSW
Death Country: Australia
Death Date: 1879

Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed: Sydney
Ship/Plane: St Vincent
Year Arrived: 1849

Surname: WORNER
Given Name(s): Matilda Jane

Birth Details
Birth Town: Martock
Birth County,
Region, Province: Somerset
Birth Country: England
Birth Date: 1813

Death Details
Death Town: Morpeth
Death State/Territory: NSW
Death Country: Australia
Death Date: 1870

Immigration Details
Air/Port Landed: Sydney
Ship/Plane: St Vincent
Year Arrived: 1849


Descendants


Children
RODFORD, Annie RODFORD, Elizabeth RODFORD, Mary Ann
RODFORD, Sarah

The deceased
lady was a native of Eckford, Rox-
burghshire, Scotland, and emi-
grated to Victoria in the ship Eliza-
beth in 1854, and first took up her
residence in the Bendigo district, at
which she married on 30th July,
1855, at the Presbyterian Manse,

taken from the obituary of Mrs Josiah Worner.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/125657282?searchTerm=%22Josiah%20Worner%22&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria

Looking at the 1851 census posted by GG, with George and Elizabeth Worner -

I wonder if this is the reason why the Professor's brother was named Hill??

George Worner
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914
Name: George Worner
Gender: Male
Marriage or Bann Date: 28 Aug 1832
Marriage Place: Martock, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Martock
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Spouse: Elizabeth Hill <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Births of two of the children in 1851 census:

WORNER, ANNA mms HILL
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in YEOVIL Volume 10 Page 567

WARNER, EMANUEL WARNER HURSH mms HILL
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in YEOVIL Volume 10 Page 433


______________________________________

Josiah's marriage:

Josiah Worner
in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Josiah Worner
Spouse Name: Agnes Lawrie
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1855
Registration Number: 2635


Agnes's death:

Agnes Worner
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Agnes Worner
Birth Year: abt 1831
Age: 83
Death Place: Rochester, Victoria
Father's name: Lowrie Jno
Mother's name: Ctina Scott
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 7340


Her baptism:

Agnes Lowrie
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Agnes Lowrie
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1830
Baptism Place: Jedburgh Associate Congregation Church, Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland
Father: John Lowrie
Mother: Christian Scott
FHL Film Number: 559522


Her parents' marriage:

LAWRIE
JOHN
CHRISTIAN SCOTT/FR675 (FR675)
05/06/1814
780/
30 394
Ancrum

The obituary says she was 83 years and 10 months when she died so born c 1830. She died in May 1914. Perhaps

Agnes
Last name Lowrie
Gender Female
Birth year 1830
Birth place -
Baptism year 1830
Baptism date 05 Sep 1830
Baptism place Jedburgh Associate Congregation Church, Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Lowrie
Mother's first name(s) Christian
Mother's last name Scott
Place Jedburgh


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Blinkbonny, Eckford, Roxburghshire, Scotland

John Lowrie Male 49 1792 Roxburghshire, Scotland
Christian Lowrie Female 45 1796 Roxburghshire, Scotland
Jess Lowrie Female 18 1823 Roxburghshire, Scotland
Agnes Lowrie Female 9 1832 Roxburghshire, Scotland
Helen Lowrie Female 6 1835 Roxburghshire, Scotland