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Hi, I have had some previous conversations but, in looking up Census information, it does not look right. I accidentally deleted my Spencer tree on there but that's no bad thing as i'm double checking everything as i've hit a brick wall and it got a bit messy!

1. In the 1851 Census, we have him having married a Mary Anne. We have a daughter Emma. They are living in Coventry St Michael.

2. As of the 1861 Census, We have Thomas listed as a Son alongside Mary Anne and kids Emma, Thomas (as above), William and John. Coventry St Peter.

3. We have a death record for Thomas Spencer (born 1825, subject of this message) having died in 1914, born in Coventry.

4. We then have a marriage in 1847 between Mary Anne Holmes and Thomas Spencer in Coventry.

We get to the Question but I wanted to prove my research as far as possible.

5. We look for parents, ideally in Coventry or as close to. The records are extremely scarse to say the least. It would seem that George and Ann are the parents. We have Thomas baptised in 1824 in Coventry (not 1825 as otherwise suggested) and according to his baptism record, his parents are George Spencer and Ann Spencer.

6. I do an Ancestry.com search of George Spencers living in Coventry born around 1800 but I leave the year on broad search. No births that fit. I do a search on the county, I get a George born in Aston in 1801, an 1801 birth in Southam.

7. I look at the 1841 Census for George of Aston, I find no Thomas Spencer who would be on there given that he was born in 1824. I suppose he could have left home at the age of 17. Unlikely. I look at George Spencer in Southam on 1841 Census, I don't have Thomas on there either.

8. I do a wider area search of surrounding counties, I get a George Spencer marrying Ann Eaves in Coventry in 1815. I have a 1790 birth of a George Spencer in Birmingham but he dies the following year at 1 year old.

9. Next best seems to be George Spencer born about 1791 in Shipston on Stour in the 1841 Census but that would have Thomas down as two.

Uggghhh, i'm stuck! Sorry about the long post! Kind Regards,

Beanie.

Do you know Thomas's occupation? There is this one in the 1841 census that could be yours - quite normal for someone of 16 or 17 to have left home in those days (I have 10 year olds in service even later in the 19th century):-

Agnes Lane, Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place

James Ward Male 38 1803 Warwickshire, England
Ann Ward Female 42 1799 Warwickshire, England
David Ward Male 19 1822 Warwickshire, England
Ann Ward Female 11 1830 Warwickshire, England
Sarah Ward Female 10 1831 Warwickshire, England
Harriett Ward Female 8 1833 Warwickshire, England
Thomas Spencer Male 16 1825 Warwickshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<
William Porter Male 23 1818 Warwickshire, England
William Hill Male 23 1818 Warwickshire, England

He is an apprentice weaver.

Kath. x

His father's name (if he knew it) and occupation will be on his marriage cert

Marriages Mar 1847 (>99%)
Holmes Mary Ann Coventry 16 373
SPENCER Thomas Coventry 16 373

They were weavers in that period yes :-) But who is his Dad is the big question, from what I can see of the marriage records online, it was George. I think that is a strong lead. So it's the George I can't track down you see....

Thanks so much.

This is Thomas in the 1851 census and his occupation is Ribbon Weaver so the 1841 could be right:-

Brick Kiln Lane, St Michaels, Coventry, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Thomas Spencer Head Married Male 26 1825 Ribbon Weaver Hand Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Mary Ann Spencer Wife Married Female 25 1826 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Ann Spencer Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Emma Spencer Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Mary Ann Spencer Sister Unmarried Female 22 1829 Shute Filler Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Kath. x

Could this be Thomas's father's baptism:-

First name(s) George
Last name Spencer
Birth year 1797
Baptism year 1797
Baptism date 27 Oct 1797
Baptism place Southam
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Spencer
Father's occupation Blacksmith
Mother's first name(s) Frances
Mother's last name Spencer
Parish Southam
County Warwickshire
Country England
Source
Southam Baptisms
Archive reference BS080.13
Record set Warwickshire Baptisms

Southam is about 14 miles from Coventry.

Kath. x

If you'd said at the outset that you'd accessed the marriage record, it would have been helpful

I did "8. I do a wider area search of surrounding counties, I get a George Spencer marrying Ann Eaves in Coventry in 1815. I have a 1790 birth of a George Spencer in Birmingham but he dies the following year at 1 year old."

I appreciate it's not clear but the full stop was intended to communicate the end of that point.

Would you both concur on Southam or any other logical ones, what certainty from your both your guts? Thanks :-)

The George Spencer baptised Southam seems likely to me but it's difficult to prove. People did marry quite young in those days so could be him.

Kath. x

could this be thomas

Thomas Spencer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:
Thomas Spencer
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
11 Apr 1825
Christening Date (Original):
11 APR 1825
Christening Place:
SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name:
Thomas Spencer
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

Thomas
Last name Spencer
Sex Male
Age Full
Marital status bachelor
Residence Chauntry Place
Occupation Weaver
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 28 Feb 1847
Denomination Anglican
Place Coventry, Holy Trinity
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann
Spouse's last name Holmes
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's marital status spinster
Spouse's residence Cook Street
Spouse's occupation Weaver
Father's name George Spencer ------
Father's occupation Weaver
Spouse's father's name Samuel Holmes
Spouse's father's occupation Weaver
First witness William Henry Pearson
Second witness Eliza Pearson
County Warwickshire
Country England
Document type Parish registers
Archive
Warwickshire County Record Office
Archive reference DR0581/23
Page 218

Thomas
Last name Spencer
Sex Male
Marital status Single
Residence Chauntry Place
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 28 Feb 1847
Marriage place Coventry, Holy Trinity
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann
Spouse's last name Holmes
Spouse's sex Female
Spouse's marital status Single
Spouse's residence Cook Street
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Spencer
Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel
Spouse's father's last name Holmes
County Warwickshire
Country England

Thomas
Last name Spencer
Birth year -
Baptism year 1824
Baptism date 05 Jan 1824
Denomination Anglican
Place Coventry, St Michael
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Spencer
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Residence St Michales
Father's occupation Weaver
County Warwickshire
Country England
Document type Parish registers
Archive
Warwickshire County Record Office
Archive reference DR0090/15
Event Baptisms

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1841
St John Street, St Michael, Coventry, Warwickshire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
George Spencer Male 45 1796 Warwickshire, England
George Spencer Male 20 1821 Warwickshire, England
Sarah Langfin Female 40 1801 Warwickshire, England

a weaver


George
Last name Spencer
Birth year -
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 07 Nov 1817
Denomination Anglican
Place Coventry, St Michael
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Spencer
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Residence St Michaels
Father's occupation Weaver
County Warwickshire
Country England
Document type Parish registers
Archive
Warwickshire County Record Office
Archive reference DR0090/14
Event Baptisms

George
Last name Spencer
Name note -
Marriage year 1815
Marriage date 23 Jan 1815
Marriage place Coventry
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Eaves
County Warwickshire
Country England

Ann
Last name Eaves
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1799
Baptism date 01 Dec 1799
Place Coventry
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Eaves
Mother's first name(s) Ann

there are about 3 thomas spencers baptised in 1924 in warwickshire

father is george as per marriage cert

Eliza Spencer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Eliza Spencer
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
10 Jul 1815
Christening Date (Original):
10 JUL 1815
Christening Place:
SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name:
George Spencer
Mother's Name:
Ann

George Spencer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:
George Spencer
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
07 Nov 1817
Christening Date (Original):
07 NOV 1817
Christening Place:
SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name:
George Spencer
Mother's Name:
Ann

parents marrage

George /Spencer/
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Sex
Male
Birth
about 1795
Warwickshire, England1
Death
after 1842
Residence
1841
St Michael, Warwickshire, England1
MARRIAGES (1)
Spouse
Ann /Eaves/
Marriage
23 January 1815
Coventry, Warwickshire

Mary Ann Spencer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Mary Ann Spencer
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
13 Jul 1829
Christening Date (Original):
13 JUL 1829
Christening Place:
SAINT MICHAEL,COVENTRY,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Father's Name:
George Spencer
Mother's Name:
Ann
Sarah Spencer
England, Warwickshire, Parish Registers, 1535-1963

Name:
Sarah Spencer
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
12 Nov 1821
Event Place:
St Michael, Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Gender:
Female
Father's Name:
George Spencer
Mother's Name:
Ann Spencer

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sibling father a weaver

William Spencer
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1820
Baptism Place: Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire, England
Parish: Coventry, Holy Trinity
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Father: George Spencer
Mother: Ann Spencer

the george spencer born in southam appears to have married 1824 in southam is there in 1871 dies 1878

supposition only

George
Last name Spencer
Age 69
Birth year 1790
Death year 1859
Burial year 1859
Burial date 27 Dec 1859
Church London Road Civic Cemetery
Place Coventry
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wale