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Hi guys back in June 2018 I put up a request for any info on David White , born 13/6/1845 in Forfarshire and died March 1916. His wife was Annie Catenach Bettie born 1849 and died 1901. They were married in Montrose on 25/10/1871.
If anyone can help me follo these two it would be great. I believe they had tho children
James Selby White, born June 1873 in Islington, and died 9/5/1929 in felixstowe.
Agnes ( Nicol ) Selby White, born 25/5/1877 in Islington and died 30/6/1941 in Kent.
So that is the end of that line so I really need to go back a generation.
Going back one generation is were I am having problems because there appears to be two David Whites born 1786 and both marrying Jean Allan, or have I got something really wrong.



Roy

Have you got their marriage certificate

Scottish records have much more info with parents names etc

It will be on Scotland’s people, website which isn’t a subs site

Edit. Where did yiu get the marriage details as it’s not showing on Scotland’s people ?

Previous threads.........which might have information which helps.


https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1372874


https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367633

To establish who they are

David White
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Annie White
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: St Mary Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Fernbank Crouch Hill
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Marine Mercht
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 95
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 279
Folio: 118
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
David White 35
Annie White 31
James S. White 7
Agnes L. White 3
James Selby 53 visitor occ merchant tailor employing 60 men and boys
Mary A. Leighton 23 gen servant
Clara Liddard 18 nurse

So is James Selby connected to them as James has his name as a second name

Ah you have the wrong spelling of mmn

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WHITE, JAMES SELBY BEATTIE
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 373

Marriage
BEATTIE
A
WHITE
D
1871
312/ 75
Montrose
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This has all been covered on your previous threads

Would David be the son of David and Jean Allen born 1845 his mum would be too old surely if she was born c1786

One post per topic, Roy.

Please do not start any more about this family

Both David's and Anna's baptisms are on one of the other threads, so I don't know why this request is needed

Census info is also there.........................

Roy has jumped a generation.........!!!! He isn't referring to David's parents - they were his paternal grandparents

I expect this info is on another thread as well

First name(s) Thomas
Last name White
Gender Male
Birth year 1820
Birth place -
Baptism year 1820
Baptism date 30 Jan 1820
Baptism place CRAIG BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name White
Mother's first name(s) Jean
Mother's last name Allan
Place Craig by Montrose

First name(s) David
Last name White
Marriage year 1815
Marriage date 30 Nov 1815
Marriage place Aberlemno,Angus,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) -
Spouse's last name Allan
Place Aberlemno
County Forfarshire (Angus)

Only ONE marriage record for David White to surname Allan on SP and FMP

First name(s) Jean
Last name White
Gender Female
Birth year 1824
Birth place -
Baptism year 1824
Baptism date 21 Nov 1824
Baptism place CRAIG BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name White
Mother's first name(s) Jean
Mother's last name Allan
Place Craig by Montrose


First name(s) David
Last name White
Gender Male
Birth year 1815
Birth place -
Baptism year 1815
Baptism date 28 May 1815
Baptism place MARYTON BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name White
Mother's first name(s) Jean
Mother's last name Allan
Place Maryton by Montrose
County Forfarshire (Angus)


First name(s) James
Last name White
Gender Male
Birth year 1817
Birth place -
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 14 Jul 1817
Baptism place MARYTON BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name White
Mother's first name(s) Jean
Mother's last name Allan
Place Maryton by Montrose

From familysearch

Name:
D. White
Spouse's Name:
Anna Beattie
Event Date:
25 Oct 1871
Event Place:
Montrose,Angus,Scotland

"Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTKM-7P8 : 10 February 2018), D. White and Anna Beattie, 25 Oct 1871; citing Montrose,Angus,Scotland, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 6,035,516.

Batch number M11312-1

Other marriages from the Batch are on SP - perhaps the omission is SP's error

No omission on Scotlandspeople, Shirley has already posted the details of the marriage from SP indexes.

Oops. So she did. I missed that bit. Still, no-one’s perfect ;-)

No problem ErikaH. It's just a little unusual for marriages only to show the initial letter of the Christian name and not even a diminutive form of the name. Makes it more difficult when searching the indexes.

Regarding omissions on Scotlandspeople, from personal experience, I do that they exist.

As for no-ones perfect, I've spent 60 years looking for Mr. Perfect. I'll have to give up and n that one now lol :-)

Never say never! :-D

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Thanks for your info on David 1815, James 1817 and Jean 1824. I also have the following that have the same parents, am I correct?
Thomas 1820 ,
William 1827,
These following ones I have been told are David and Jeans children but I have my doudts due to dates ect.
Andrew 1807
David 1808,
David 1810,
Alexander 1813,
Agnes 1813,
Agnes 1824.

What do you think.

Roy, I tend not to speculate - rather I rely on research.

You say you've been 'told' about the above - have you checked any of the 'info' on any reliable website?


From familysearch - where you can easily find info yourself

Confirming the first two you name

Name:
David White
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
28 May 1815
Christening Place:
MARYTON BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
19 May 1815
Father's Name:
David White
Mother's Name:
Jean Allan


Name:
Thomas White
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
30 Jan 1820
Christening Place:
CRAIG BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
22 Jan 1820
Father's Name:
David White
Mother's Name:
Jean Allan

These are also on FS

Agnes White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth:
6 March 1813
, Cupar, Fife, Scotland
christening:
, CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence:
1813
Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland
father:
David White
mother:
Jane Allan

Andrew White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth:
11 May 1808
christening:
15 May 1808
, CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence:
1808
Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland
father:
David White
mother:
Jane Allen

Alexander White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth:
24 March 1807
christening:
29 March 1807
, CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence:
1807
Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland
father:
David White
mother:
Jane Allen

David White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth:
10 November 1810
christening:
17 November 1810
, CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence:
1810
Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland
father:
David White
mother:
Allen


MARRIAGE
Name:
David White
Spouse's Name:
Jane Allen
Event Date:
28 Sep 1806
Event Place:
Cupar,Fife,Scotland

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Good day fellow researcher. You all have been most helpful but I am now in a state of total confusion. I was in the understanding that David White, born Forfarshire 13/6/1845 and died Islington 21/3/1916 married a Annie Catenach Bettie, born around 1849 and died December 1901 in Islington. They married 25/10/1871 in Montrose.
They had two offspring. James Selby White, born in the June quarter 1873 in Islington and died 9/5/1929 in Felixstowe. The other offspring was Agnes( Nicol added later) Selby White, born 25/5/1877 and died 30/6/1941 in Kent..

Now comes my confusion. I have heard from another source that david may have married a Agnes Selby, hense the Selby names in the offsrings names. In the 1881 census it states that David White as head, Annie White as wife Jamse S White as son and AgnesL White as daughter. They also had a visiter James Selbyas a visitor. Again the Selby name.

Can anyone help me sort out this problem. I have looked on Scotish People but can find no marriage for David White at all. By the way Davids parents were Thomas White and I believe Annie Bettie's parents were David Bettie and Margaret Nicol. This may explain the Nicol name added later into Agnes's name.

Sorry about the length of this posting but I hope someone can help me sort out this confusion.

Roy Horwell, New Zealand.

The children's births, showing mother's maiden surname:

WHITE, JAMES SELBY mms BEATTIE
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 373

WHITE, AGNES SELBY mms BEATTIE
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 317


Agnes was baptised as Agnes Nicol White, although her birth is registered as Agnes Selby White;

. Agnes Nicol White
in the London, England, Non-conformist Registers, 1694-1931
Name: Agnes Nicol White
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1877
Baptism Church: Crouch Hill Presbyterian Church
Baptism Place: Islington, Middlesex, England
Father: David White
Mother: Anna C Beattie

{All the above already posted on one of your other threads.)

Have you done any research yourself? Or are you relying solely on what you’re told’?

Did you look at the site for which I posted the link? Any thoughts on the info?