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Larissa68
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27 Oct 2019 09:39 |
This is a tricky one as he is transported around 1844 but may have come back. I have a lot of age references for him due to his criminal record as follows below.
17 Mar 1830 = 33 (1797) 23 Feb 1833 = 35 (1798) 1841 census = 40 (1801 not likely) 6 Jan 1844 = 46 (1798) The following may be him if he returned after transportation. 5 Feb 1869 = 70 (1799) 4 Jan 1873 = 76 (1797)
He was born in Northamptonshire and lived in Tansor, Warmington and around Oundle. I have looked through the parish registers for these on the dates listed but nothing. He may not have been baptised but I just wondered if anybody else could pull something up.
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Chris Ho :)
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27 Oct 2019 09:51 |
Google search bringing up Convict items...
Chris :)
http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk/1833.html
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE LENT ASSIZES ANN DOLBY VICTIM TANSOR SAMUEL DOLBY, 35, CHARGED WITH FELONIOUSLY KILLING AND SLAYING ANN DOLBY, AT TANSOR. SIX MONTHS' IMPRISONMENT.
County Northamptonshire Place Stoke Doyle Church name St Rumbold Register type Unspecified Register entry number 11 Marriage date 03 Apr 1820 Groom forename Samuel Groom surname DOLBY Groom parish Warmington Bride forename Anne Bride surname CARTER Bride parish OTP Witness1 Thomas DOLBY Witness2 Percy? BONFIELD Notes Bride signed with a mark.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
(if anything else on above link) (5 Baptisms relating) (and 4 with Mary)
[PDF] convicts from northamptonshire - northants family history www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk › CONVICTS FROM NORTHAMPTO.. CONVICTS FROM NORTHAMPTONSHIRE. NAME .... nr Northampton Gloucester / 27 March 1844. Robbing a man 15 years ..... Saml transp. DOLBY, Samuel.
(another to see on google search)
06 January 1844 - Northampton Mercury - Northampton, Northamptonshire
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE QUARTER SESSIONS Samuel Dolby, aged 46, was convicted of stealing coals and beer, the property of the Rev. C. A. Wheelwright, of Tansor. 15 Years Transportation.
https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/dolby/samuel/6938
Conviction & Transportation
Crime: - Convicted at: Northampton Quarter Sessions Sentence term: 15 years Ship: Marion Departure date: 7th June, 1845 Arrival date: 16th September, 1845 Place of arrival Van Diemen's Land Passenger manifest Travelled with 299 other convicts
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
(some items on above, Ticket of Leave Granted - 1851)
31 January 1873 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire, England
DIED At Tansor, on the 16th inst., Samuel Dolby, aged 76.
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ArgyllGran
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27 Oct 2019 09:57 |
Is this a second marriage ?
Name: Samuel Dolby Birth Date: 1799 Age: 70 Spouse's Name: Maria Richards Spouse's Birth Date: 1805 Spouse's Age: 64 Event Date: 08 Feb 1869 Event Place: Tansor, Northampton, England Father's Name: William Dolby Spouse's Father's Name: William Smith
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27 Oct 2019 10:05 |
Tip - remember with the 1841 census that ages above 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5. Shown as age 40 in 1841 would therefore mean that he was aged anywhere from 40 - 44 making his birth year anywhere between 1801 and 1797.
Likewise in other census years if a person said eg. they were 40 in 1861, the simple maths makes them born 1821. Buy if you bear in mind the dates of census a person is by around ¾ more likely to have been born in the previous year.
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ArgyllGran
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27 Oct 2019 10:13 |
??? Only about 7 or 8 miles from Warmington and Tansor:
Samuel Dolby in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Samuel Dolby Gender: Male Baptism Date: 28 May 1797 Baptism Place: Orton Longville, Huntingdon, England Father: Wm. Dolby Mother: Elizabh. Dolby FHL Film Number: 1041710 Reference ID: item 2
The couple who married in 1869 - living in Tansor:
Samuel Dolby in the 1871 England Census Name: Samuel Dolby Age: 77 Estimated birth year: 1794 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Orton Huntingdonshire England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Tansor County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Oundle Sub-registration district: Fotheringhay ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 4 Piece: 1513 Folio: 150 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Dolby 77 - labourer at [rectory ? ] Maria Dolby 66
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27 Oct 2019 10:14 |
Possible?
Samuel Dolby Gender: Male Baptism Date: 28 May 1797 Baptism Place: Orton Longville, Huntingdon, England Father: Wm. Dolby Mother: Elizabh. Dolby FHL Film Number: 1041710 Reference ID: item 2
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27 Oct 2019 10:15 |
samuel with maria 1871 Tansor, Oundle, Northamptonshire, England Samuel Dolby Head - Male 77 1794 - Huntingdonshire, England Maria Dolby Wife - Female 66 1805 - Northamptonshire, England
??? SAMUEL Last name DOLBY Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1797 Age 76 Death quarter 1 Death year 1873 District Oundle
Samuel Last name Dolby Gender Male Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1797 Baptism date 28 May 1797 Residence Orton-Longville, Huntingdon, England Place Orton Longuevill County Huntingdonshire Country England Father's first name(s) Wm. Father's last name Dolby Mother's first name(s) Elizabh. Mother's last name Dolby
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ArgyllGran
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27 Oct 2019 10:21 |
Samuel Dolby in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Samuel Dolby Estimated birth year: abt 1797 Registration Year: 1873 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 76 Registration district: Oundle Inferred County: Northamptonshire Volume: 3b Page: 149
Maria Dolby in the 1881 England Census Name: Maria Dolby Age: 76 Estimated birth year: abt 1805 Relationship to Head: Head Gender: Female Where born: Stoke Doyle, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Tansor County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Marital status: Widow Occupation: Ag Lab W Registration district: Oundle ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: Piece: 1588 Folio: 20 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Maria Dolby 76 Francis Billing 81 - lodger
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Maddie
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27 Oct 2019 10:23 |
is this thhe record you found sent to 15 yrs
Name: Samuel Dolby Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1798 Date Received: 26 Mar 1844 Ship: Justitia Place Moored: Woolwich Date Convicted: 3 Jan 1844 Place Convicted: Northampton
Name: Samuel Dolby Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1798 Date of Trial: 3 Jan 1844 Trial Year: 1844 Location of Trial: Northamptonshire, England Sentence: Transportation Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Image
haven't found a record yet to say he was actually deported
edit Name: Samuel Dolby Vessel: Marion Convicted Date: 3 Jan 1844 Voyage Date: 7 Jun 1845 Colony: Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land) Place of Conviction: Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Name: Samuel Dolby Arrival Date: 1845 Vessel: Marion Province: Tasmania Title: Ledger Returns Year(s): 1849 Place of Conviction: Northampton
lived by ????? spring bay
in the Tasmania, Australia, Convict Court and Selected Records, 1800-1899 Name: Samuel Dolby Date: 15 Jul 1853 Place: Tasmania, Australia Record Type: Pardons, Leave, Discharge Ship: Marion 2 Reference Number: CON56-1-3
probably not him
Name: Saml Dalby Age: 72 Birth Year: abt 1793 Departure Date: Jun 1865 Departure Place: Victoria, Australia Destination: LONDON Ship: SUSSEX Ship's Master: RIDGERS ROBT Page: 005 URL:
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ArgyllGran
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27 Oct 2019 10:34 |
I can't see any sign of Samuel of Orton from 1841 to 1871 - which could fit with his having been transported:
Assuming this is him in 1841:
Samuel Dolby in the 1841 England Census Name: Samuel Dolby Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Tansor Hundred: Willybrook County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Registration district: Oundle Sub-registration district: Fotheringhay Neighbors: Piece: 812 Book: 12 Folio: 6 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Wells 15 - [different household] Jesse Hall 30 - [different household ] Daniel Beadnell 20 [different household ] Samuel Dolby 40
EDIT: Maybe not - he's with Mary Dolby 30, Elizabeth 15, Mary 18, Edward 6, George 5, Charles 3, Sarah 6 mths.
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27 Oct 2019 10:35 |
Interestingly it states he is married on the prison hulk record - so he may have re-married after the death of his first wife and before the 1844 trial.
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ArgyllGran
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27 Oct 2019 10:39 |
That Samuel in Tansor in 1841 lived in Town Street.
Charles Wheelwright, clergyman (see one of the convict records posted earlier) also lived in Town Street with his wife and children.
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27 Oct 2019 10:58 |
By 1851 Mary Dolby is claiming to be a widow.
sarha Unknown Dolby Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Mary Dolby Gender: Female Where born: Tansor, Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Tansor Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street address:
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View image Registration district: Oundle Sub-registration district: Fotheringhay ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 19 Piece: 1746 Folio: 496 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Mary Dolby 49 Chas Dolby 12 sarha Unknown Dolby 10 Jane Dolby 8
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27 Oct 2019 11:05 |
I wonder if this is his second marriage, must have been just after he was released?
Mary Bradshaw Gender: Female Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 14 Oct 1833 Marriage Place: Tansor, Northamptonshire, England Register Type: Parish Registers Parish as it Appears: Tansor Search Photos: Search for 'Tansor' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Spouse: Samuel Dolby
Added, witnesses were Mary Dolby & William Richards
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Maddie
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27 Oct 2019 11:09 |
if maria is correct
Maria Last name Smith Name note - Marriage year 1824 Marriage date 07 Jun 1824 Marriage place Barnwell-All Saints Spouse's first name(s) Samuel Hosmer Spouse's last name Richards Residence Northampton, England
1841 Town Street, Tansor, Oundle, Northamptonshire, England Samuel Richards Male 40 1801 Northamptonshire, England Maria Richards Female 35 1806 Northamptonshire, England Ester Richards Female 13 1828 Northamptonshire, England John Richards Male 11 1830 Northamptonshire, Englad William Richards Male 9 1832 Northamptonshire, England Henry Richards Male 6 1835 Northamptonshire, England Ann Richards Female 4 1837 Northamptonshire, England Thomas Richards Male 2 1839 Northamptonshire, England George Richards Male 1 1840 Northamptonshire, England
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Samuel Richards Head Married Male 60 1801 Agricultural Labourer Tansor, Northamptonshire, England Maria Richards Wife Married Female 55 1806 - Stoke Doyle, Northamptonshire, England Thomas Richards Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 - Tansor, Northamptonshire, England George Richards Son - Male 20 1841 - Tansor, Northamptonshire, England Katherine Richards Daughter - Female 16 1845 - Tansor, Northamptonshire, England Esther Richards Daughter - Female 11 1850 - Tansor, Northamptonshire, England
SAMUEL OSBOONE Last name RICHARDS Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year - Age - Death quarter 3 Death year 1863 District Oundle
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27 Oct 2019 11:16 |
charles dolby from flips records CHARLES Last name DOLBY Birth year 1838 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Bradshaw District Oundle County Northamptonshire Country England Volume 15 Page 313
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SARAH Last name DOLBY Birth year 1840 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Bradshaw District Oundle County Northamptonshire Country England Volume 15 Page 314
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Larissa68
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27 Oct 2019 12:29 |
Holy moley you guys are amazing! Am going to look through the replies.
He was married 3 times and murdered his first wife 1 - Ann Carter 1820 2 - Mary Bradshaw 1833 3 - Maria Richards 1869
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Larissa68
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27 Oct 2019 12:41 |
Maddie can I ask where you found the info you posted which is just what I've been looking for!!
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Maddie
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27 Oct 2019 12:57 |
found on ancestry
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27 Oct 2019 13:23 |
I found info on ancestry as well, but some of that found is available on the free site familysearch.org (including his christening, which was what you originally asked for). This is their record
Samuel Dolby Residence Place: Orton-Longville, Huntingdon, England Gender: Male Christening Date: 28 May 1797 Christening Date (Original): 28 May 1797 Christening Place: Orton Longville, Huntingdon, England Father's Name: Wm. Dolby Mother's Name: Elizabh. Dolby
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