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Yes researching George Hill, b1875, Fenton, Hanley. Son of Thirza and William.
I Thought that the 1911 census where it shows him with wife Lily and son William looked spot on as the area and ages matched those of the 1871 census when George was 3 yrs old at 7 Nelson place.
I will purchase the below certificate as you uncovered to see if I have a match.
Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
Hill George 30 Stoke T. 6b 101
I wondered if he died in action?
Many thanks for your help.
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Thirty-nine George Hills with no middle initial died in WW1.
Also about 27 G Hills with no middle initial.
https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
Many of the records don't give any age or NOK info, so it's impossible to know who they might be.
But can't see him in 1911, in any case.
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What about below?...(the Marriage image FMP, 9th August, George 23, Bachelor, 106, Well Street, Father William Hill, occ. Engineer. Gertrude, 23, Spinster, 106, Well Street, Father, Alfred Turner (Deceased) occ. Potters Turner. a witness Fred Hill)
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1898
HILL George TURNER Gertrude Wellington, St Luke Stoke-On-Trent 36/07/038.
Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
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Hill George Stoke T. 6b 413
Turner Gertrude Stoke T 6b 413
http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
(check above for Births Hill, Maiden Name Turner)
1901 (Residence, 1898 Marriage)
William Hill Head Widower Male 50 1851 Engimeer On Tile Works Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Fred Hill Son Single Male 25 1876 App Potter's Placer Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Private House, 106, Well Street, Hanley, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire & Worcestershire
1911
Arthur Poole Head Married Male 50 1861 Potters Gilder Stoke Staffordshire
Selina Poole Wife Married Female 58 1853 - Longton Staffordshire
Gertrude Hill Daughter Widow Female 36 1875 At Home Hanley Staffordshire
Harold Hill Grandson - Male 11 1900 School Hanley Staffordshire
Ernest Hill Grandson - Male 9 1902 School Hanley Staffordshire
Florence Hill Granddaug - Female 8 1903 School Hanley Staffordshire
Gladys Poole Grandchild - Female 6 1905 School Hanley Staffordshire
4 Harcourt St Hanley Stoke on Trent, Hanley, Staffordshire & Worcestershire
(notes another witness on that 1898 Marriage, was a Florrie Poole)
(says Married 12yrs, 4 children born, 1 died. Gertrude signature)
1901
Arthur Poole Head Married Male 40 1861 Potters Gilder Stoke, Staffordshire, England
Selina Poole Wife Married Female 51 1850 - Longton, Staffordshire, England
Florence Poole Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Potters Gilder Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Gertrude Hill Daughter Married Female 26 1875 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Harold Hill Grand Son - Male 0 1901 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England
19, Harcourt Street, Hanley, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire & Worcestershire
1891 (Reference)
William Hill Head Married Male 40 1851 Stationary Engine Driver Staffordshire, England
Thirza Hill Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Staffordshire, England
William P Hill Son Single Male 18 1873 Waggoner In Mine Staffordshire, England
George Hill Son Single Male 16 1875 Waggoner In Mine Staffordshire, England
Fred Hill Son - Male 13 1878 - Staffordshire, England
Bertram Hill Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Staffordshire, England
(not sure of occupation, George, 1898 Marriage, Till Sayer?)
Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Shelton
Church name St Mark
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 366
Baptism date 17 May 1882
Person forename Gertrude
Person sex
Father forename Alfred
Mother forename Selina
Father surname TURNER
Person abode Vine St
Father occupation Potter, deceased
Notes Baptism date is the date 'Received into Church'
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Bettany Selina Stoke T. 6b 242
TURNER Alfred Stoke T. 6b 242
Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871
TURNER Alfred BETTANY Selina Shelton, St Mark Stoke-On-Trent 27/06/079.
Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1874
TURNER Gertrude BETTANY Shelton Stoke-On-Trent SHE/052/063
Birth
TURNER, GERTRUDE BETTANY
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 230
1881
Selina Turner Head Widow Female 30 1851 Pott Lathe Treader Longton, Staffordshire, England
Gertrude Turner Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
William Emery Boarder Single Male 27 1854 Potters Guilder Hanley, Staffordshire, England
37, Vine Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire
1891
Arthur Poole Head Married Male 29 1862 Potters Gilder Staffordshire, England
Selina Poole Wife Married Female 39 1852 Potters Lathe Treader Staffordshire, England
Gertrude Turner Stepdaughter Single Female 17 1874 Potters Paintress Staffordshire, England
Florence Poole Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Staffordshire, England
Lichfield Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire
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Just for ref brother and mother Thirza 1911
18 Bentinck Place Birkenhead, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Thirza Hill Head Widow Female 60 1851 - Staff Fenton
William Percy Hill Son Married Male 38 1873 Gas Engineer Hanley Staff
Hannah Hill Wife Married Female 38 1873 - Hanley Staff
Alice Hill Daughter - Female 13 1898 - Hanley Staff
Florence May Hill Daughter - Female 8 1903 - Stoke on Trent
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Gertrude Turner looks like a good possibility, Chris.
You've done a lot of delving there!
The fact that Gertrude is a widow by 1911 would also fit with the possible 1905 death of George, as would the children's years of birth.
Another child who died:
HILL, DORIS mms TURNER
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 199
HILL, DORIS 0
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in STOKE-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 122
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Great research Chris,
George Hill and Gertrude Turner are the witnesses on his brother William Percy Hill's marriage to Hannah Pope, father William 'Engine Tenter'
Image on FMP 1893
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So Thirza not with William 1901...below could be her Death...
Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1918
HILL Thirza 67 Birkenhead Wirral BIR/156/96
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
Deaths Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Hill Thirza 67 Birkenhead 8a 516
Chris :)
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Thirza passed away 64 Marion St, Birkenhead - 270818. I had her born Wiltshire but Rambling s info looks correct - born Fenton.
Thanks Chris, amazing research
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