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Trying to find info on Margaret Roberts, born about 1826 in Llangollen, N. Wales. Her parents were Thomas and Margaret. Thomas and Margaret had four children - Ann, b. 1823, John b. 1824, Margaret b. 1826 and Robert b. 1833. The family moved to St. Helens, Lancashire, they're in the 1861 census living at 8 Bath Street - at least Thomas, Margaret and Robert with wife, Ellen. John was already 'married' and no idea where Ann was.
Margaret died in 1879 in St. Helens.
Thanks.

Separate households as transcribed, but at same address - for our info

Derbyshire should read Denbighshire

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
8, Bath Street, Eccleston, Prescot, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Roberts Head Married Male 65 1796 Labourer Llangollen, Derbyshire, England
Margaret Roberts Wife Married Female 66 1795 - Llangollen, Derbyshire, England


8, Bath Street, Eccleston, Prescot, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Roberts Head Married Male 28 1833 Shoe Maker Llangollen, Derbyshire, England
Ellen Roberts Wife Married Female 27 1834 - St Helens, Lancashire, England

What info are you looking for - When and where did you last have sight of Margaret

St Helens is covered by Prescot RD - the only 1879 death I can see for a Margaret Roberts is a Margaret Ellen Roberts who was aged 0

Please post as much info as you have

In case you do not have it, this is Robert Roberts' marriage to Ellen

from lancs-opc

Marriage: 24 Dec 1860 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Robert Roberts - full age, Shoemaker, Bachelor, Eccleston
Ellen Tickle - full age, Spinster, Eccleston
Groom's Father: Thomas Roberts, Labourer
Bride's Father: James Tickle, Carpenter
Witness: James Tickle; Elizabeth Bates
Married by Banns by: F. L. Cursham
Register: Marriages 1860 - 1868, Page 9, Entry 18
Source: LDS Film 1657597

Is this the parents with Margaret and Robert in 1841 - the 1861 census says born Llangollen. Ages out but as it's the 1841 census it would give birth year of c 1796/7 for Thomas and Margaret

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
S West Square, Llangollen, Corwen, Denbighshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Jones Male 80 1761 Denbighshire, Wales
Thomas Roberts Male 40 1801 Denbighshire, Wales ....... Stone Mason
Margaret Roberts Female 40 1801 Denbighshire, Wales
Margaret Roberts Female 14 1827 Denbighshire, Wales
Robert Roberts Male 10 1831 Denbighshire, Wales

Thanks greyghost. I'm really looking for any info on Margaret. I posted as much as I was sure of.
The following info is a bit of guesswork.
In 1871 census there is a Henry Parsons, age 11, living with John and Betsy at 37 Glover St., St. Helens. He's shown as nephew.
Now, in the 1881 census there is a Margaret (b. Llangollen) married to a John Crosby, living with a Henry Parsons, stepson in Parr, St. Helens. Now, I think this is possibly my Margaret but I can't seem to find a marriage to anyone called Parsons.
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For our information ...........


the 1871 Census shows that Henry was born in Liverpool

Name: Henry Parsons
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool Lancashire England


From GRO Register ..............

PARSONS, HENRY ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 268

from ancestry

1861 England Census

Name: Henry Parsons
Age: 9/12
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Henry Parsons
Mother's name: Margaret Parsons
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 70

William Henry Parsons 54 b. Everton, Lancashire, Master Builder, employing 8 men and 1 boy
Margaret Parsons 35 b. Wales
Margaret Parsons 6 b.ca 1855, Liverpool
Henry Parsons 9/12

Address:- 100 Field View, Bootle Lane

It looks as though William Henry parsons died in `864 ..............

from Freebmd

Deaths Sep 1864 (>99%)
PARSONS William Henry W. Derby 8b 361

from GRO .........

PARSONS, WILLIAM HENRY 57
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 361


from ancestry ............

Lancashire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1986

Name: William Henry Parsons
Birth Year: abt 1807
Death Age: 57
Burial Date: 16 Aug 1864
Burial Parish: Walton-on-the-Hill, Lancashire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Walton-on-the-Hill' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Reference Number: Drl 2/422

It looks as if William Henry was quite a lot older than Margaret. If this is correct, and it seems to fit, then I wonder how she came to be in Liverpool and then she came back to St. Helens. I can’t find a marriage for them though.

The 1841 census entry looks a good possibility but I’ve no idea how I could prove it was them.

Thanks so much.

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from lancs-bmd

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1873
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROSBY John PARSONS Margaret Holy Trinity, Parr Mount St Helens C4/1/154


Freebmd version .........

Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
CROSBY John Prescot 8b 1033
PARSONS Margret Prescott 8b 1033

I'm thinking maybe she did not marry William Henry!


I'm poking around trying to find information ......... I cannot for example find a birth or baptism for Margaret Parsons b/c ca 1855


I think this might be William Henry's baptism ......... note the name of his father

from FMP

Lancashire Baptisms

First name(s) William Henry
Last name Parsons
Birth year 1806
Birth date 26 May 1806
Baptism year 1806
Baptism date 29 Jun 1806
Baptism place Liverpool, Our Lady and St Nicholas
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Bevington Bush
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's occupation Merchant
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's maiden name Moore
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office

I don't like that 1841 Census because it states that father Thomas is a stone mason, yet he is a labourer on every other record that I have seen. Bit of a come-down I would have thought!

I wondered if she wet to Liverpool as a servant ... many Welsh girls did.

I found this on ancestry ...........

1851 Census


View 1851 England Census

Name: Margaret Roberts
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Vauxhall
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 2179
Folio: 335
Page Number: 9

John Williams 51 b. ca 1800, Holyhead, Wales,??Rigger
Jane Williams 57 b.ca 1794. Anglesey, Wales
Owen Edwards 23
William Williams 15
Hugh Jones 29
Margaret Roberts 24

Address:- 31 Milk Street

I think you might be right about that 1841 entry ... would be a bit of a come down, unless he couldn’t find work as a stonemason when he came to St. Helens.
... so it looks like she re-married after Parsons died?.

This could equally well be Margaret in 1841, in Liverpool. She's shown as "not born in county", ie not born in Lancashire. But it looks as though she might be a servant


1841 Census

Name: Margaret Roberts
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street

Piece: 556
Book: 24
Folio: 21
Page Number: 35

Margaret Roberts 15
John Matthews 40
Mary Matthews 40
Emma Matthews 7
William Matthews 10weeks
Peter Wiseman 20
Rachel Wiseman 20
James Wiseman 2weeks
Thomas Wiseman 40

Address:- Cheapside


OR this one, also not born in County

Name: Margaret Roberts
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Walton On The Hill
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton

Piece: 519
Book: 2
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19

Robert Cleworth 40
Elizabeth Cleworth 35
Margaret Roberts 15

Address:- Plumpton Street



there are 2 or 3 others.

I would suggest that she did not marry William Henry Parsons, lived with him common-law, kept his name, and married under that name.

I cannot find Margaret "Parsons" birth under either Parsons OR Roberts in any of the sites that I've looked

I have to give up now, it's getting a bit late here!

Is that them below?...(apologies, I'm getting confused here!, was looking at 1841 above)

Chris :)

County Denbighshire
Place Llangollen
Church name St Collen
Register type Parish Register
Marriage date 26 Jun 1819
Groom forename Thomas
Groom surname ROBERTS
Bride forename Margaret
Bride surname JONES
Bride parish Llangollen

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(image is on FMP, wits. Peter Jones, Thomas Jones (Clerk)


15 August 1864 - Liverpool Mercury - Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Death
PARSONS - August 13, at 102, Bootle-lane, Kirkdale, in his 57th year, Mr. William Henry Parsons.


Edits (below also come up near Robert Roberts above, with Father Thomas, Labourer, no idea if they relate!)


Marriage: 25 Dec 1858 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Llewelyn Roberts - (X), Labourer, bachelor, Eccleston
Ellen Hughes - spinster, Eccleston
Groom's Father: Thomas Roberts, Labourer
Bride's Father: David Hughes, Labourer
Witness: William Wallis, (X); Margaret Wallis, (X)
Married by Banns by: Francis L Horsham
Register: Marriages 1854 - 1860, Page 186, Entry 371
Source: LDS Film 1657597 item 2


Marriage: 15 Apr 1861 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Michael Fowley - (X), full age, Collier, Bachelor, Eccleston
Margaret Roberts - (X), full age, Spinster, Eccleston
Groom's Father: James Fowley, Labourer
Bride's Father: Thomas Roberts, Labourer
Witness: Thomas Jones; George Eaton
Married by Banns by: F. L. Cursham
Register: Marriages 1860 - 1868, Page 21, Entry 42
Source: LDS Film 1657597


1871
Thomas Roberts Head - (Wdr) Male 75 1796 - Wales (Denbighshire) (Labourer)
Ann Roberts Daughter - Female 47 1824 - Wales (Denbighshire) (Domestic Servant)
29 Glover Street, Eccleston, Prescot, Lancashire


Edits (looking at 1861 of Llewellyn and Ellen Roberts, both Birthplaces as Fintshire, so not looking like relating!) (and 1871 Michael Foley, Margaret born Flintshire)


https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=269119.0

(in relation to William Henry Parsons)


(noted also, below)

Marriage: 8 Jan 1861 St George, Everton, Lancashire, England
John Mather - 50, Joiner, Widower, Merton Rd Bootle
Caroline Parsons - 40, Spinster, Merton Rd Bootle
Groom's Father: George Mather, Joiner
Bride's Father: Henry Parsons, Tea Merchant
Witness: William Henry Parsons; Caroline Hoskin
Married by Banns by: C. Logan
Register: Marriages 1860 - 1863

Chris ...............

re the marriage of Caroline Parsons

William Henry Parsons was a Master Builder in the 1861 Census where he is with Margaret and Henry