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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2019 18:39

Yes , it is a possibility that the Albert who died at sea in 1873 might have been William's father.
The probate notice does say that Charles Jeramiah was his father.

In which case, this would be Albert in 1871:

Albert Card
in the 1871 Census of Canada
Name: Albert Card
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1852
Birth Place: Nova Scotia
Religion: Weslyan Methodist
Origin: English
Province: Nova Scotia
District: Hants
District Number: 188
Subdistrict: Kempt
Subdistrict Number: b
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jeremiah Card 45
Hannah Card 41
Albert Card 19 - mariner
Alberta Card 17
Eugene Card 15
Rubenia Card 13
Edith Card 11
Margaret Card 9
Esther Card 2




ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2019 18:42

Photo of gravestone:

Albert Card
in the Canada, Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Albert Card
Birth Date: 1851
Death Date: 14 mai 1873 (14 May 1873)
Death Place: At Sea
Cemetery: Card Skaling Burying Ground
Burial or Cremation Place: Summerville, Hants County (Hants), Nova Scotia, Canada


Gravestone reads:

Chief Officer on Board Ship Palmas died off the Western Island May 14 1873 age 22 y'rs

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2019 18:44




Albert Card
in the Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
Name: Albert Card
Record Type: Crew
Age: 14
Birth Place: Windsor, Hant's, Nova Scotia, Canada
Vessel Name: Juno
Vessel Type: Ship
Voyage Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Voyage Arrival Date: 9 Jun 1866 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Voyage Arrival Port: Liverpool, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Vessel Registration Number: W865008
Vessel Registration Place: Windsor, Nova Scotia
Year Vessel Constructed: 1865
Date Joined Present Ship: 15 Jan 1866
Place Joined Present Ship: Liverpool, England
Crew Number: 7
Literacy: Signed name
Family on Board?: Related to master
Completed What Signed On To Do?: No
Discharge Date: 10 May 1866
Discharge Place: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
Discharge: Discharged with mutual consent
Last Discharge Date: 28 Nov 1865
Last Discharge Place: Liverpool, England
Registry of Last Ship: Same ship
Company From Last Ship: 3
Capacity (Rank): Ordinary Seaman
Payment Type (Time): By the month
Wage: 115
Wage Currency: Sterling

If he was in Liverpool for a few months, he could well be William's father, and then returned to Nova Scotia before the 1871 census.

William's birth is probably registered under his mother's surname, and perhaps he only started using the name Card when he was older..

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Oct 2019 18:49

No idea, but what about below?...Looking at Probate address, can't see one, Bedford Row, Liverpool, only below, could that be Casey on image?, not the clearest!)

Birth
CASEY, WILLIAM HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 23

1871
Patrick Carey Head - Male 39 1832 - Ireland (? Dresser)
Mary Carey Wife - Female 37 1834 - Ireland
John Carey Son - Male 17 1854 - Durham, England
William Carey Son - Male 11 1860 - Durham, England
Mary Jane Carey Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Lancashire, England
Bridget Daley Mother-In-Law - Female 30 1841 - Ireland
Birkett Street, Upper 2 Drinkwaters Gardens, Liverpool, Lancashire

(although below looks to match above)

Birth
CAREY, WILLIAM DALEY
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 552

(no, probably not William Henry Casey Birth then, lol, scrap that theory!, and below given on 1939, then making Albert a bit young also, if William knew his correct D.O.B. that is!)

Birth Date: 24 May 1867

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2019 19:17

Wondering about this family - all born Liverpool:

Mary Roche
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Roche
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1848
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool Lancashire England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 3797
Folio: 117
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Roche 23 - unmarried, dressmaker
William H Roche 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mary A Roche 2
James J Roche 2/12
Eliza Finlay 22 - boarder, dressmaker
Mary McDonald 26 - sister, married, dressmaker

I can't see any of the children's births conclusively.


EDIT:
Probably not - there's a note beside William's entry, saying "Blind from birth".

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Oct 2019 19:56

Strange, couldn't find that 1939 entry on FMP, checked image on Ancestry, written on it says (1886 LEK) FMP have below...

William H Card 24 May 1886 Male Textile Operator Widowed
4 West Street, Manchester C.B., Lancashire

Chris :)

(another about, but he coild fit below Marriage (image on FMP, Widower, age 40, occ. Joiner, his Father, William Card, occ. Builder. Residence for both, Crosfield Road. Kate, Widow, her Father, Thomas Panton, Farmer)

Marriages Mar 1910
-----------------------------------------------------
Card William Henry W. Derby 8b 361
JOHNSON Kate W. Derby 8b 361

1939
William H Card 15 Jun 1868 Male Joiner (Retired) Single (W on image)
45 Caird Street, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire


When was Death of your William?...

1911 (reference)
William Henry Card Head Married Male 43 1868 Colliery Lampman Above Ground Lancs Liverpool
Mary Jane Card Wife Married Female 49 1862 - Lancs Wigan
James Card Son Single Male 23 1888 Colliers Drawer Lancs Wigan
Annie Card Daughter Single Female 22 1889 Pit Brow Above Ground Lancs Wigan
Benjamin Card Son Single Male 17 1894 Colliers Drawer Lancs Wigan
Margaret Card Daughter - Female 14 1897 Spinning Lancs Wigan
William Henry Card Son - Male 10 1901 School Lancs Wigan
56 Tunstall Lane Pemberton, Pemberton, Lancashire
(says Married 23yrs, 6 children born, 6 living)


1901
William H Card Head Married Male 33 1868 Twister Cotton Factory Pemberton, Lancashire, England (Liverpool on image)
Mary Jane Card Wife Married Female 39 1862 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Jules Card Son - Male 13 1888 Sziess Clerk In Cotton Factory Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ambrosine Card Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ellen Card Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Wigan, Lancashire, England
Benjiamin Card Son - Male 7 1894 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Margaret Card Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England
William H Card Son - Male 0 1901 - Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Pemberton Valley, 4, Tunstall Lane, Pemberton, Wigan, Lancashire,


1891
William H Cord Head Married Male 24 1867 Railway Porter Lancashire, England
Mary I Cord Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Lancashire, England
James Cord Son - Male 4 1887 - Lancashire, England
Amborzine Cord Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ellen Cord Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Lancashire, England
Wilcock Street, Wigan, Lancashire


(there is below)

Deaths Sep 1964 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------
CARD WILLIAM H 97 WIGAN 10F 678


1939 Register (William not at home)
William H Card 26 Sep 1900 Male Colliery Haulage Hand Now French Digger Arp Single
Mary Jane Card 25 Apr 1861 Female Unpaid Domestic Duti Married
Noah White 14 Nov 1887 Male Colliery Suface Han Married
Annie White 13 Nov 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Du Married
4 Pemberton Valley, Wigan C.B., Lancashire


Marriage: 22 Jul 1911 St Matthew, Highfield, Pemberton, Lancs.
Noah White - 24, Labourer, Bachelor, 21 Pearl St.
Annie Card - 22, Pit-Bank, Spinster, 56 Tunstall Lane
Groom's Father: Robert White, Collier
Bride's Father: William Henry Card, Mill
Witness: Benjamin Card; Elizabeth Ellen Lindley
Married by Banns by: H. Gordon
Register: Marriages 1910 - 1912, Page 13, Entry 26
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


Marriage: 26 Dec 1908 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancs.
Arthur Lawrence - 20 years, Motorman, Bachelor, 4 Douglas Terrace
Ellen Card - 17 years, Millhand, Spinster, Pemberton Valley Tunstall Lane
Groom's Father: Richard Lawrence, Fireman
Bride's Father: Henry Card, Millhand
Witness: James Card; Elizabeth Lawrence
Married by Banns by: Edward Francis Forrest Vicar
Register: Marriages 1907 - 1915, Page 60, Entry 120
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


Marriage: 15 Jun 1912 St Thomas, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Benjamin Card - 18, Collier, Bachelor, 56 Tunstall Lane
Martha Jane Hitchmough - 19, Spinster, 64 Willcock Street
Groom's Father: William Henry Card, Factory Operative
Bride's Father: William Hitchmough, Collier
Witness: Jas. Card; Lizzie Hitchmough
Married by Banns by: Richard Tebbs Vicar
Notes: [Bride's firstname entered just as Jane then corrected by a note ''col 2, In
entry 329 for Jane Hitchmough read Martha Jane Hitchmough. Corrected Feb 12 1914 By
me C. R. Slee Vicar, In the presence of Martha Jane Card.']
Register: Marriages 1905 - 1915, Page 165, Entry 329
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Choccy

Choccy Report 4 Oct 2019 21:35

??


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

15, Taylor Street, Wigan, Lancashire, England


William Howarth Head Married Male 49 1832 Overlooker Cotton Weaver Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Ellen Howarth Wife Married Female 49 1832 - Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Thomas Howarth Son Single Male 22 1859 Gen Labourer Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Howarth Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Cotton Weaver Wigan, Lancashire, England
>>>>>Harry Card Boarder Single Male 14 1867 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2019 21:47

Don't know if these are all the same Albert Card or not - or several different ones?
Birthplaces vary somewhat. The first one deserted 1872.

Albert Card
in the Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
Name: Albert Card
Record Type: Crew
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1852
Birth Place: Dorchester, England [ it means Dorchester, New Brunswick - mistranscribed ]
Vessel Name: Island Home
Vessel Type: Ship
Voyage Departure Date: 2 May 1872
Voyage Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Voyage Arrival Date: 22 Feb 1873
Voyage Arrival Port: Liverpool, England
Vessel Registration Number: W859013
Vessel Registration Place: Windsor, Nova Scotia
Year Vessel Constructed: 1859
Date Joined Present Ship: 2 May 1872
Place Joined Present Ship: Liverpool, England
Crew Number: 7
Literacy: Signed name
Completed What Signed On To Do?: No
Discharge Date: 14 Jun 1872
Discharge Place: New York City, New York, USA
Discharge: Deserted
Registry of Last Ship: English
Company From Last Ship: 0
Capacity (Rank): Able-bodied Seaman
Payment Type (Time): By the month
Wage: 315
Wage Currency: Sterling
Cash Advance: 117
Cash Advance Currency: Sterling


The ship "Island Home"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Home_(steamboat)

???

Albert Card
in the Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
Name: Albert Card
Record Type: Crew
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birth Place: Horton, King's, Nova Scotia, Canada [ Norton ]
Vessel Name: British America
Vessel Type: Ship
Voyage Departure Date: 17 Dec 1869
Voyage Departure Port: Hantsport, Hant's, Nova Scotia, Canada
Voyage Arrival Date: 20 Jan 1870
Voyage Arrival Port: Glasgow, Scotland
Vessel Registration Number: W869020
Vessel Registration Place: Windsor, Nova Scotia
Year Vessel Constructed: 1869
Date Joined Present Ship: 1 Dec 1869
Place Joined Present Ship: Hantsport, Hant's, Nova Scotia, Canada
Crew Number: 13
Completed What Signed On To Do?: Yes
Discharge: Remained
Company From Last Ship: 0
Capacity (Rank): Ordinary Seaman



???

Albert Card
in the Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935
Name: Albert Card
Record Type: Crew
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1849
Birth Place: Dorchester, Westmoreland, New Brunswick, Canada
Vessel Name: Mary Lowerison
Vessel Type: Barque
Voyage Departure Date: 19 Sep 1868
Voyage Departure Port: Rockland, Westmoreland, New Brunswick, Canada
Voyage Arrival Date: 17 Dec 1868
Voyage Arrival Port: Ardrossan, Scotland
Vessel Registration Number: J868062
Vessel Registration Place: St. John, New Brunswick
Year Vessel Constructed: 1868
Date Joined Present Ship: 21 Sep 1868
Place Joined Present Ship: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
Crew Number: 10
Literacy: Signed with an 'X'
Completed What Signed On To Do?: Yes
Discharge: Remained
Last Discharge Date: 15 Sep 1868
Last Discharge Place: Saint John, St. John, New Brunswick, Canada
Registry of Last Ship: English
Company From Last Ship: 0
Capacity (Rank): Ordinary Seaman
Payment Type (Time): By the month
Wage: 20
Wage Currency: Dollars (not specified)
Cash Advance: 10
Cash Advance Currency: Dollars (not specified)



Carter

Carter Report 4 Oct 2019 21:48

Thank you so much for your help.
the 1901 and 1911 census are spot on and the marriages of his children are correct.
I'm beginning to think that Albert might be the one who went to Canada because there is no sight of him anywhere.
Williams mum might have not have registered his birth if she was an unmarried mother.
It really is a conundrum .

I really do appreciate all the help you have given me

Linda

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2019 21:48

Here's an Alberta Card, buried in the same cemetery as the Albert who died in 1873, and who was on the same ship "Palmas". Could this possibly be Albert's sister Alberta ??? - see 1871 census above:

Gravestone says" Alberta Card, died on board ship Palmas, off Antigua, West Indies, Nov 25th 1871, aged 18 years."

EDIT:
Yes, it will be the same Alberta.
On another face of the gravestone there's a memorial to Ernest E Card, who is Albert and Alberta's brother Ernest Eugene (Eugene on 1871 census ).

Ernest Eugene Card
in the Canada, Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Ernest Eugene Card
Death Date: 25 out 1873 (25 Oct 1873)
Cemetery: Card Skaling Burying Ground
Burial or Cremation Place: Summerville, Hants County (Hants), Nova Scotia, Canada

"2nd Officer on Board Ship Palmas Died at Kempt OCt 25 1873 age 18yrs"
on stone.

Not a lucky ship for the Card family.

Carter

Carter Report 4 Oct 2019 22:51

thank you once again

On looking into Albert Card I find his father Charles Jeremiah Card had a brother called
WILLIAM HENRY CARD.
could our William henry been named after him I wonder
Guess we will never know

Thank you all once again for your help
Linda

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 5 Oct 2019 06:52

Some to look round on...

Chris :)

http://kencarrico.tripod.com/cardsilas.htm

(google search brings above, Family)


https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/

(For Births etc.)


http://www.crewlist.org.uk/#Data


UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927

(above, Ancestry)


(perhaps get his Will)


(and below the Ship)

PALMAS 54394 St John, NB, 41/1866, Sail, 1284 tons Appropriation Books, RSS View entry for PALMAS in Appropriation Books MHA CLIP More...
St John, NB, Sail MNL, 1870 View entry for PALMAS in MNL 1870, page 294
St John, NB, Sail, Ship MNL, 1880 View entry for PALMAS in MNL 1880, page 456

http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/viewimages?regtype=MNL&year=1870&name=PALMAS&steamsail=Sail&page=294


http://www.crewlist.org.uk/#Data

(above also has his Father)


(was he Born in Liverpool, or taken there?, and brought up)

(1881 from Choccy, worth investigating also)


Baptism: 8 Aug 1862 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Howarth - [Child] of William Howarth & Ellen
Born: 18 Jul 1862
Abode: Lyon St.
Occupation: Overlooker
Baptised by: C. H. Newbold Clerk in Orders
Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1865, Page 125, Entry 999
Source: LDS Film 1885682


Baptism: 18 Dec 1859 Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Thomas Haworth - Son of William Haworth & Ellen
Born: 13 Nov 1859
Abode: Shad Street
Occupation: Over-looker
Baptised by: Alexander Gallaher
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1866, Page 161
Source: LDS Film 1470816

(wasn't able to get back on GR!, earlier, to add more, but Maiden Name of Mother Eastwood, Thomas Surname was Haworth)

Marriage: 21 Dec 1850 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
William Haworth - (X), under, Weaver, Bachelor, Blackburn
Ellen Eastwood - (X), under, Spinster, Blackburn
Groom's Father: Thomas Haworth, Clogger
Bride's Father: George Eastwood, Labourer
Witness: Thomas Livesey; John Pilkington
Married by Banns by: W.J.Monk
Register: Marriages 1850 - 1851, Page 164, Entry 327
Source: LDS Film 1278818


Marriage: 10 Jun 1882 St Thomas, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Haworth - 22, Sizer in Mill, Bachelor, Taylor Street off York Street
Mary Jane Moss - 19, Spinster, Gt. George St.
Groom's Father: William Haworth, Overlooker in Mill
Bride's Father: George Moss, Fireman
Witness: John Halton; Elizabeth Haworth
Married by Banns by: W. G. Sale, Curate
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1888, Page 82, Entry 163
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


1871
William Howarth Head - Male 39 1832 - Lancashire, England (Powerloom Overlooker)
Ellen Howarth Wife - Female 39 1832 - Lancashire, England
Edward Howarth Son - Male 18 1853 - Lancashire, England
George Howarth Son - Male 17 1854 - Lancashire, England
James Howarth Son - Male 15 1856 - Lancashire, England
Thomas Howarth Son - Male 11 1860 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Howarth Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Lancashire, England
Hannah Smith Servant - Female 50 1821 - Lancashire, England
Edwin Stock Boarder - Male 38 1833 - Lancashire, England
Lyon Street, Wigan, Lancashire


1861
William Howarth Head Married Male 31 1830 Overlooker In Cotton Mill Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Ellen Howarth Wife Married Female 31 1830 - Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Edward Howarth Son - Male 8 1853 - Blackburn, Lancashire, England
George Howarth Son - Male 7 1854 - Blackburn, Lancashire, England
James Howarth Son - Male 3 1858 - Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Thomas Howarth Son - Male 1 1860 - Lancashire, England
5, Appleton Street, Wigan, Lancashire

(in case anything led anywhere!)


(and just to add, Witnesses from William's Marriage)

Marriage: 2 Apr 1890 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Robert Ormesher - (X), 26, Collier, Bachelor, 210 Scot Lane, Pemberton
Alice Burns - 32, Factory Operative, Spinster, 65 Tunstall Lane, Pemberton
Groom's Father: John Ormesher, Collier
Bride's Father: Joseph Burns, Painter
Witness: John Birkett; Margaret Sharples
Married by Banns by: J. Llewellyn
Register: Marriages 1890 - 1895, Page 3, Entry 5
Source: LDS Film 1885638


1881
Catherine Duyer Head Widow Female 50 1831 - Ireland
John Duyer Son Single Male 18 1863 Cotton Hand Ireland
Margaret Power Daughter Married Female 27 1854 Cotton Operative Ireland
Catherine Power Grand Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Wigan, Lancashire, England
Mary Power Grand Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Wigan, Lancashire, England
Bridget Walsh Boarder Single Female 22 1859 Cotton Operative Ireland
Thomas Lucas Boarder Single Male 30 1851 Coal Miner Ireland
Michael Boland Boarder Single Male 20 1861 Coal Miner Ireland
5, Herbert Street, Wigan, Lancashire


1891
James A Howarth Head Married Male 33 1858 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Howarth Wife Married Female 32 1859 Overlooker Cotton Factory Lancashire, England
Joseph Howarth Son - Male 14 1877 Clerk Cotton Mill Lancashire, England
Ellen Howarth Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Lancashire, England
Annie Howarth Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Lancashire, England
William H Howarth Father - Male 61 1830 Labourer Cotton Mill Lancashire, England
5, Herbert Street, Wigan, Lancashire


Marriage: 14 Jan 1877 St Thomas, Wigan, Lancashire, England
James Aspinall Howarth - (X), 20, Collier, Bachelor, Caroline Street
Elizabeth Calland - (X), 19, Spinster, Gt. George St.
Groom's Father: William Henry Howarth, Overlooker in a Cotton Mill
Bride's Father: Joseph Calland, Clogger
Witness: Hercules Hall; Elizabeth Topping
Married by Banns by: Jas. Cronshaw, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1870 - 1878, Page 200, Entry 399
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


Baptism: 17 May 1857 St Mary the Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
James Aspinall Howarth - [Child] of William Henry Howarth & Ellen
Born: 25 Apr 1857
Abode: Turner Lane
Occupation: Over-looker
Baptised by: R. H. Hart, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1854 - 1859, Page 489, Entry 3907
Source: LDS Film 1278805

Birth
HAWORTH, JAMES ASPINALL EASTWOOD
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 315

(seems Harry Card 1881, was still with family at time of Marriage 1889, perhaps they 'took' him in)

Carter

Carter Report 5 Oct 2019 07:01

thank you Chris

Carter

Carter Report 6 Oct 2019 07:29

everyone on here is wonderful as usual.

I am always amazed at how you can collate information so quickly.

Im not too sure about the Haworth family connection and if someone could explain it for me .

I am surmising that there is no way that I can find out when and where William henry card was born.

I am contemplating a visit to Lancashire records office soon and is there anything I could ask to see that might help me

once again thank you all so much for your help

Linda

Carter

Carter Report 6 Oct 2019 07:41

William Henry Card married Jane Grimshaw and one of their children was a son named James Card 1887 - 1917

I found his ww1 army records and in them it says
grandparents of the soldier ANNIE RIDGEWAY, address unknown

his maternal grandmother was ALICE BRADSHAW so it cant be her so I was wondering if this Annie rRdgeway was William Henry's mum ??

I have looked on freebmd, lancopc and Lancashire bmd for a birth of Annie Ridgeway . my thinking was if she was William henry's mum then she might not have married but if she had then is there any chance of finding her.

thanks Linda





Anyone got any ideas ?

Thank you

Linda

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 6 Oct 2019 08:03

Look at that Address on 1891 Census posted (James Haworth) it's the one William gave on his Marriage 1887...(James is the Son of William, who Harry Card is with 1881)

(as said, the family could have 'taken' him in, perhaps it was them that told him of Father Albert, and the circumstances, seeing how he knew of Annie Ridgway, for his son James to know about her, that's if Annie was the Mother, mystery!)

(as also said before, would get that Will of Albert Card 1873, see what it says, maybe he wasn't aware of a Son!)

Chris :)

Baptism: 25 Dec 1887 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
James Card - [Child] of William Henry Card & Jane
Born: 22 Oct
Abode: 5 Herbert St.
Occupation: Loomer
Baptised by: H. F. Lloyd Curate
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1889, Page 195, Entry 1553
Source: LDS Film 1885687

Baptism: 3 Dec 1888 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ambrosine Card - [Child] of William Henry Card & Jane
Born: 13 Nov
Abode: Herbert St. Miry Lane
Occupation: Miller
Baptised by: H. F. Lloyd Curate
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1889, Page 350, Entry 2797
Source: LDS Film 1885687

Baptism: 29 Sep 1893 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Benjamin Card - [Child] of William Henry Card & Jane
Born: 8 Sep
Abode: Pemberton
Occupation: Miller
Baptised by: H.F. Lloyd Curate
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1893, Page 251, Entry 2007
Source: LDS Film 1885688


Private CARD, JAMES
Service Number 11811
Died 28/05/1915
Aged 27
2nd Bn.
Border Regiment
WIMEREUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Son of Mr. and Mrs. Card, of 4, Pemberton Valley, Wigan, Lancs.

https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead/

https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/3186628

(Photo of Grave)


British Army Service Records
First name(s) James
Last name Card
Age 26
Birth year 1888
Birth town Wigan
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 11811
Regiment Border Regiment
Unit / Battalion 3rd, 2nd Battalion
Year 1914
Residence town Wigan
Residence county Lancashire

(Parents. William Henry, Mary Jane)

(Grandparents of Soldier, Annie Ridgway. Address Unknown)

(Uncle, John Grimshaw)

(Nieces, Nephews, Wilfred Lawrence (10), Arthur Lawrence (7) Address, 4, Douglas Terrace)


Edits (you have given War Death as 1917...it was 1915)


1871 Census (Canada) (Nova Scotia)
Jeremiah Card Male 1826 Nova Scotia (Master Mariner)
Hannah Card Female 1830 Nova Scotia
Albert Card Male 1852 Nova Scotia (Mariner)
Alberta Card Female 1854 Nova Scotia
Eugene Card Male 1856 Nova Scotia
Rubemia Card Female 1858 Nova Scotia
Edith Card Female 1860 Nova Scotia
Margaret Card Female 1862 Nova Scotia
Esther Card Female 1869 Nova Scotia

Carter

Carter Report 6 Oct 2019 08:38

Chris I think you've got something there.
I hadn't even thought of looking at addresses
I was just fixated on names.

So William Henry was known as ' Harry Card' ?
don't make it easy for us do they

(my father in law's name was harry ut on some documents he is William or Bill )

Thank you

Linda

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Oct 2019 12:01

??? Just a long shot. [ EDIT: - no, probably not, unless Annie was only c14 when William Henry was born - though not impossible. ]


Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
Card Annie Liverpool 8b 344
Ridgway Samuel Liverpool 8b 344


Saml Ridgeway
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Saml Ridgeway
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Relationship: Visitor
Birth Year: 1853
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Residence Place: Barrow, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 3483
Folio: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Woodburn 51
Jane Woodburn 53
Thomas Cornish 35
David Fitzpatrick 45
Annie Ridgeway 38 - Liverpool - vocalist (music)
Saml Ridgeway 38 - vocalist (music)



Annie Ridgeway
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie Ridgeway
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Samuel Ridgeway
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors:
Piece: 3706
Folio: 51
Page Number: 7
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Ridgeway 44 - comedian
Annie Ridgeway 48 - housemaid
Harry H Ridgeway 1 - son
Mary Ann Brown 45 - visitor, Manchester, charwoman
Lilian Brown 17 - Blackpool
Harold Brown 16 - Manchester

Can't see the birth of Harry H Ridgeway / Ridgway.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Oct 2019 12:58

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Samuel Ridgway
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Samuel Ridgway
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 17 Manor St Bridgwater St Manchester
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Moulder (iron)
Registration district: Manchester
Registration District Number: 466
Sub-registration district: Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 24123
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Ridgway 59
Annie Ridgway 58 - charwoman - Croydon, Lincs [sic]
Harry Ridgway 12 - Manchester


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Harry Ridgway
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Harry Ridgway
Death Age: 66
Birth Date: abt 1899
Registration Date: Apr 1965
[May 1965]
[Jun 1965]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Barton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10g
Page: 236


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Samuel Ridgway
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Samuel Ridgway
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1852
Registration Date: Oct 1926
[Nov 1926]
[Dec 1926]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: South Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 285

Carter

Carter Report 6 Oct 2019 18:56

I love how Samuel ridgeway went from vocalist music to comedian to iron moulder