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Oyster Merchant West Derby Born 1853
More info would be appreciated

Think you need to give more info so we can help :-)

You must have more information than that, how did you work back to him.

Do you have him on census records.

If he's an ancestor, who did he marry - the certificate will name his Father if known

Birth cert. will name parents


Is this his birth registration -

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CARROLL, PATRICK MORAN
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 275

Thought the name sounded Irish

Patrick Carroll
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1853
Spouse: Mary A Carroll
Child: Thomas J Carroll
James A Carroll
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: West Derby
Residence Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, Institution or Vessel: 14a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2990
Folio: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Carroll 38 oyster merchant
Mary A Carroll 28 born ireland
Thomas J Carroll 2 born Liverpool
John Carroll 14 born ireland visitor
Kate Dowling 29
Annie Burns 15
James A Carroll 8/12

So not born in West Derby then, or is that a mistake on the census

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Marmaduke Street, West Derby, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Carroll Head Married Male 38 1853 Oyster Merchant Ireland
Mary A Carroll Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Ireland
Thomas J Carroll Son Single Male 2 1889 - Lancashire, England
John Carroll Visitor Single Male 14 1877 Scholar Ireland
Kate Dowling Servant Single Female 29 1862 Domestic Servant Ireland
Annie Berns Servant Single Female 15 1876 Domestic Servant Ireland
James A Carroll Son Single Male 0 1891 - Lancashire, England

Jacobus Alexander Carroll
Age: 0
Birth Date: 20 Jul 1890
Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1890
Baptism Place: St Anne, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Liverpool' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Patricii Carroll
Mother: Mariae Annae Cunningham

Birth
CARROLL, THOMAS JOSEPH CUNNINGHAM
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 535

1911 Census For England & Wales

Studley Lodge Studley Road Seaforth, Seaforth, Lancashire, England


>>>>>Patrick Carroll Head Married Male 55 1856 Shell Fish Dealer Ardaghy Louth Ireland Resident
Marianne Carroll Wife Married Female 49 1862 - Brecknagh Down Ireland Resident
Thomas Joseph Carroll Son Single Male 22 1889 Shell Fish Assistant Lancs Liverpool
Patrick Francis Carroll Son Single Male 18 1893 Student Lancs Liverpool
Sarah Josephine Carroll Daughter - Female 10 1901 School Lancs Liverpool
James Alexander Carroll Son - Male 5 1906 School Lancs Liverpool
Anastasia Roche Servant Single Female 23 1888 General Servant Domestic Wexford Ireland Resident

1891

Name: Patrick Carroll
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1853
Spouse: Mary A Carroll
Child: Thomas J Carroll
James A Carroll
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: West Derby
Residence Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Sub Registration District: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, Institution or Vessel: 14a
Neighbors:
Piece: 2990
Folio: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Carroll 38 Ireland OSTER MERCHANT
Mary A Carroll 28 Ireland
Thomas J Carroll 2 1889 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Carroll 14 1877 VISITOR West Derby, Lancashire, England
Kate Dowling 29 Servant
Annie Burns 15 servant
James A Carroll 8/12 1890 Liverpool, Lancashire, England son

CARROLL, PATRICK FRANCIS CUNNINGHAM
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 580

Patrick Carroll
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Patrick Carroll
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Marianne Carroll
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 57
Neighbors:
Piece: 3495
Folio: 19
Page Number: 29
Household schedule number: 193
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Carroll 46 - oyster merchant
Marianne Carroll 37
Patrick F Carroll 8
Frances A Carroll 6
Peter S Carroll 2
Sarah J Carroll 1 Week
Mary A Hanlon 26

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx


Title : Mr
Date of Death : 3 April 1934
Surname : Carroll
Date of Grant : 2 December 1935
Forename : Patrick
Registry : Belfast
Effects : Effects £450 4s 8d

Full Abstract :

Carroll Patrick of Altmore House Omeath county Louth I.F.S. and of Studley Lodge Crosby Road South Seaforth county Lancaster England oyster merchant died 3 April 1934 at former place Probate Belfast 2 December to Mary Ann Carroll the widow Patrick Francis Carroll dental surgeon and Thomas Stanislaus Cunningham licensed victualler. Effects £450 4s. 8d.

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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10818/5945407.pdf

Party 1 Name PATRICK CARROLL
Party 2 Name MARY CUNNINGHAM
Date of Event 19 October 1887
Group Registration ID 2432666
SR District/Reg Area Newry

From image - (writing not good)

Mary Anne Cunningham
Both of full age
Bachelor / spinster
Patrick a Publican ?-----
CAn't read where resident - ? Warren point for Mary
Father - James Carroll ?------- Publican
Patrick Cunningham ?

witnesses ? Patrick Carroll
Elizabeth Jane Cunningham

Married in RC Chapel at Warrenpoint in the Registrar's district of Warrenpoint in the Union of Newry in the County of Down

He passed in County Louth

View England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995

Name: Patrick Carroll
Death Date: 3 Apr 1934
Death Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 2 Nov 1934
Probate Registry: Liverpool, England

Of Altmore House .Omeath. County Louth .and of Studley Lodge Seaforth
Lancashire ,and of cases street Liverpool, died at Altmore House
Probate to Mary Ann Carroll. widow .Patrick Francis Carroll .dental surgeon and Thomas Stanislaus Cunningham licensed victualler
Effects £18086 .6s3d

Patrick Carroll
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Patrick Carroll
Death Date: 3 Apr 1934
Death Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Probate Date: 2 Nov 1934
Probate Registry: Liverpool, England


Patrick Carroll of Altmore House Omeath, county Louth, and of Studley Lodge, Crosby Road, South Seaforth, Lancashire, and of Cases Street, Liverpool, died 3 april 1934 at Altmore House.
Probate Liverpool 2 November to Mary Ann Carroll, widow, Patrick Francis Carroll, dental surgeon, and Thomas Stanislaus Cunningham, licensed victualler.
Effects £17861 6s 3d. Resworn £18086 6s 3d.

Well thats a bit different from Choccy's amount on the probate Shirley.

Altmore House:

https://tinyurl.com/y6zj78cv

It overlooks Carlingford Lough - so maybe ??

Patrick Carroll
in the Ireland, Select Catholic Birth and Baptism Registers, 1763-1917
Name: Patrick Carroll
Baptism Date: 19 Dec 1852
Baptism Place: Carlingford, Louth, Ireland
Father: James Carroll
Mother: Saragh Conly

The amount shown on Choccy's probate record will be the amount of assets he had in Ireland.
The other figure is what he held in England.

Possibly not that Carlingford baptism - the family address is Ardagh, Louth.


EDIT: Yes, this is the one - see later post.


In case it's the right baptism -
siblings were:

Catherine 25/4 /1849
Ann 26/11/1850
Rose 7/11/1854
Peter 15/6/1857
Michael 18/2/1860
Thomas 19/8/1863

This looks more like it! EDIT: Actually it's the same baptism, so is correct after all. . Address given as "Arda".


Patrick Carrole
in the Ireland, Select Catholic Birth and Baptism Registers, 1763-1917
Name: Patrick Carrole
Baptism Date: 19 Dec 1852
Baptism Place: Carlingford and Omeath, Louth, Ireland
Father: James Carrole
Mother: Saragh Conly