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I think Margaret Lee's family returned to Scotland. Patrick and Peter are interchangeable.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Watsonville Rows, 85, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Peter Lee Head Married Male 55 1826 Coal Miner Ireland
Margaret Lee Wife Married Female 52 1829 - Ireland
Jane Lee Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1863 Employed In Bleach Work Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Margaret Jane Connor Granddaughter - Female 5 1876 - England
James Farrell Boarder Widower Male 52 1829 Coal Miner Ireland



CONNOR, MARGARET JANE LEE
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 324

, Looking at the birth of Robert Bell b 1877 Haltwhistle, it wasn’t thought it was him, I looked up where Haltwhistle was and it is in Durham so it must be him. Regarding Andrew Bell ,he was Andrew Lee on his Military records and Sleepburn Durham , Looking at the record of grand parents, Patrick and Margaret their address was Sheepburn Colliery Durham, so must be Andrew Bell. His brother Anthony Bell, b 1883 Lancaster, which I found was also in Durham.

, Looking at the birth of Robert Bell b 1877 Haltwhistle, it wasn’t thought it was him, I looked up where Haltwhistle was and it is in Durham so it must be him. Regarding Andrew Bell ,he was Andrew Lee on his Military records and Sleepburn Durham , Looking at the record of grand parents, Patrick and Margaret their address was Sheepburn Colliery Durham, so must be Andrew Bell. His brother Anthony Bell, b 1883 Lancaster, which I found was also in Durham.

Can someone fathom out with me the connection of Margaret Connor age 22 b Scotland, visitor, mentioned as being in the household of Anthony Bell and Margaret Bell I believe nee Dennison ,on the 1881 census, it states Margaret Bell was a Lunatic. Also listed in the household which seems odd , a Robert Ravean visitor age 1 yr. Could he have been the son of Margaret Connor. I know that Anthony Bell and Margaret Bell nee Lee in the 1891 census had a son Robert, checked the Gro index, Robert Bell b1879 mother Lee. Could this be this Robert Ravean. Found in 1891 Margaret Bell nee Dennison, wife of Anthony was in a Lunatic Asylum in Durham, she died in 1909. Anthony Bell and Margaret Lee were living in Pontefract area in 1891. The 2 sons of Anthony Bell and Margaret nee Dennison were still in Durham, The eldest David Dennison Bell b 1872 was a servant in a household in 1891 and his younger brother John was living with Anthony's parents in B.Auckland. But they both got married in Pontefract.. Obviously it seems now that Anthony Bell and Margaret Lee never married but by 1901 they were living apart. Also a coincidence, there was a Margaret Jane Connor b1875 grandaughter living with the parents of Margaret Lee, Patrick and Margaret Lee on the 1881 census in Durham.

Just found the answer to my above post. A marriage for a Richard Connor to Margaret Lee Sept 1874 Weardale which is in the Durham district. So the grandaughter Margaret Jane Connor b 1875 is their child and I would think that Robert Ravean could be the child of Anthoy Bell, Seeing that his wife was medically unfit she wouldn't know who perhaps this Margaret Connor was visiting

Rambling, Re your post Sarah Dennison Bell b 1873 I found her living with her widowed Grandmother Ann Dennison in 1881 in Stockton on Tees, must have been taken in because of her mothers mental illness.

Is her age wrong, on 1901 as 39?...(the 1891 Asylum says 42, wife of Pitman)...

Which Death 1909 have you found?

Chris :)

Coming back to this.
This is the Robert on the 1881 census, written as Ravean

RAVEN, ROBERT mmn BELL
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 572

Likely the son of


Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
BELL Margaret Cockermouth 10b 961
RAVEN William Cockermouth 10b 961

Another child which helps

RAVEN, JOSEPH BELL BELL
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 630

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Guys Yard, Kirkby Street, Crosscanonby, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England

William Ravens Head Married Male 41 1850 Shoe Maker Cumberland, England
Margaret Ravens Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Cumberland, England
Joseph B Ravens Son Single Male 15 1876 Gardener Apprentice Cumberland, England
Robert Ravens Son - Male 13 1878 Billiard Marker Cumberland, England
Margaret Ravens Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Cumberland, England
William Ravens Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Ravens Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Cumberland, England
eJames Ravens Son - Male 5 1886 - Cumberland, England
Tom S Ravens Son - Male 0 1891 - Cumberland, England
Archibald M L Ravens Son - Male 0 1891 - Cumberland, England

and on 1901, all these Margarets are very confusing!

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Guys Yard, 3, Kirkby Street, Maryport, Netherhall, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England


William Raven Head Married Male 51 1850 Shoe Maker Flimby, Cumberland, England
Margaret Raven Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Wreay, Cumberland, England
Joseph Raven Son Single Male 25 1876 Ship Cook Maryport, Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Raven Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Dressmaker Maryport, Cumberland, England
James Raven Son Single Male 15 1886 Grocers Apprentice Maryport, Cumberland, England
Tom S Raven Son - Male 10 1891 - Maryport, Cumberland, England
Mary J Raven Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Maryport, Cumberland, England
Isabella Raven Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Maryport, Cumberland, England

Going back I wanted to look for Anthony earlier, just to try and connect the Bells. This may have been posted before I know i did look at it,

This may be him, I wonder also as the name Mark is one of his brothers and may have carried down to his son?

Main Street, Monk Hesildon, Easington, Durham, England
Year of census: 1861

John Bell Head Married Male 52 1799 Miner Chester Le Street, Durham, England
Sarah Bell Wife Married Female 50 1801 - Yorkshire, England
John Bell Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Miner Durham, England
Mary Bell Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 - Durham, Durham, England
Mark Bell Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Miner Shildon, Durham, England
Anthony Bell Son - Male 10 1841 At Home Durham, Durham, England
Sarah Bell Daughter - Female 8 1843 At Home Durham, Durham, England
Elizabeth Bell Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Durham, Durham, England

Rambling . Getting so confused now , regarding Robert Raven b 1878 Cockermouth Cumberland you mentioned, which is on the west coast of England, but in 1881 he was in Durham , ( and only age 1yr and a visitor ? ) which is on the east coast. I am sure Mark was mentioned as elder brother on the Military papers of Andrew Lee, also states mother Margaret but Andrew didn’t know where she was living. This was in 1903

I have just looked at the Military record for Andrew Lee b 1884 Sleepburn ,Durham. and can confirm the following, Mother Margaret Lee — address unknown. Brother, Mark Lee (older) of Glasshoughton Yorkshire.

I keep doubling back on all the posts, This Robert Ravean b 1879, confirming Anthony and Margaret Bell in the 1891 census living in Brotherton Yorkshire and Robert Bell b 1879 was with them. Found the Military records for Robert Bell b 1879 Sturry Hill Durham, stating he lived in Glasshoughton Yorkshire, he was wounded, and later died on board the H.S. Soudan, he was buried at sea. No parents recorded on the records but his wife and 4 children, ironically Andrew Lee / Bell named 3 of his children the same names as Robert’s children, also a son named Robert. I truely feel 100% that Robert Ravean/Bell is the son of Anthony and Margaret Bell. Margaret nee Lee ( Connor) must have left Anthony by 1901 because she had a baby Enoch Lee ( no father listed) by someone else and the children she took with her , they took her maiden name Lee although they were registered as Bell. The complication of Margaret Lee is unbelievable.

John. Robert Raven is the son of Margeret Bell, and William Raven, Not Margeret Lee and Anthony Bell. You could get the birth cert to be sure but it does confirm the surnames on the GRO index.

I was working on a vague theory that the mother of Robert Raven, Margaret Bell ;might have been Anthony Bell's sister?

On the other hand she could be the daughter to his brother John, there is a possible birth for a Margaret ( mmn Graham ) and so Anthony would be her uncle......

I think I would ignore Robert Raven and any possible connection for the moment, otherwise it will just get too tangled!

I have looked on the Military record for Anthony Bell b 1884 Durham, His address 8 Albion Place Wainwtight St, , Castleford. Next of Kin. Father. Anthony Bell. mother Margaret Bell, both down as address not known. Brother Robert Bell. Old Engine, Ashley Yorkshire. 1915. Anthony Bell had his leg amputated so was discharged. Ironically his brother Andrew also had his leg amputated at the later part of his life. 1901 Anthony Lee (not Bell) was with his Mother Margaret Lee, brothers Andrew Lee, and Enoch Lee , living in Castleford. York’s. I now think that Andrew my step grandad was the only one that kept the name of Lee..

Just to add, did note on 1911 For Robert, Anthony as Father was crossed through, replaced with Boarder...

Anthony Bell given as name of Father on Marriage Cert. 1906.

Chris :)

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Chris Ho :) Report Edit Delete 25 Sep 2019 19:00

I know the marriage date of Patrick Lee and Margaret Lindsey , 25 Aug 1848 Strathblane Scotland but where do I get a marriage certificate from to find out who their fathers were so I can proceed further down the line,

Would be below for Scotland...

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Chris :)

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Statutory registration didn't begin until 1855 in Scotland. You will only get an entry in the Parish records for an 1848 marriage. Rarely do those records name parents.

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First name(s) Patrick
Last name Lee
Alias Patrick
Marriage year 1848
Marriage date 25 Aug 1848
Denomination Roman Catholic
Parish St Machan
Place Lennoxtown
Diocese St Andrews & Edinburgh
County Stirlingshire
Country Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
Spouse's last name Lindsay
Spouse's alias Margaret
Archive
The Scottish Catholic Archives
Reference MP/80
Year range 1831-1925
Record set Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Scotland, Great Britain
© Catholic National Endowment Trust Charity No. SCO 16650 (known as The Bishops' Conference of Scotland)