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25 Sep 2019 16:54 |
Yes Rambling, I also feel this is the family, but how strange that their surname is now Lee, the mothers maiden name, wished I could be a fly on the wall to see how that happened , obviously before 1901.
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25 Sep 2019 16:59 |
John, I haven't found a marriage so it's my guess they didn't marry but that the children were registered in fathers name anyway. When the couple split Margaret reverted to using her maiden name as did the children who stayed with her. Wish I could find her before 1881 though.
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25 Sep 2019 17:04 |
Do you think they could have got married In Scotland, ?
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25 Sep 2019 17:09 |
Their first son Robert was born in 1879, so around before the 1881 census, so strange the family not found
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Rambling
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25 Sep 2019 17:30 |
John I did look at Scotland's People website but couldn't see a marriage there either.
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alviegal
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25 Sep 2019 17:39 |
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BELL, ROBERT WILLIAM LEE GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in HALTWHISTLE Volume 10B Page 334
EDIT No probably not.
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25 Sep 2019 17:50 |
Thank you Rambling, so no further as to a marriage, looks like a few years age difference between Anthony Bell and Mararet Lee, so perhaps he was a married man. Even unsure exactly where in Scotland Margaret was born so unable to trace her family. What ever the outcome my Pop would have had the Bell blood in him.thats for sure.
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alviegal
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25 Sep 2019 17:58 |
Robert Bell's service record.
British Army Service Records
First name(s) Robert Last name Bell Age 35 Birth year 1879 Birth town Durham Birth county Durham Birth country England Service number 313809 Regiment York and Lancaster Regiment Unit / Battalion 3rd Reserve Battalion Year 1914 Residence town Castleford Residence county Yorkshire Residence country England Series WO 363 Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
and his death.
SerjeantBELL, ROBERT
Service Number 3/3809
Died 28/08/1915
6th Bn. York and Lancaster Regiment
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25 Sep 2019 18:03 |
alviegal that's the one I've been looking for but just can;t pin then down in 1881.
I keep coming back to this one but can't figure it out, with births or ages?
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 12, School Street, Brandon and Byshottles, Durham, Durham, England
Anthony Bell Head Married Male 40 1841 Coal Miner Durham, Durham, England Margaret Bell Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Durham, England David Bell Son Single Male 8 1873 - Shildon, Durham, England John Bell Son Single Male 6 1875 - Bishop Auckland, Durham, England Margaret Connor Visitor Single Female 22 1859 - Scotland Robert Ravean Visitor Single Male 1 1880 - Ferryhill, Durham, England John Bell Brother Married Male 22 1859 Coal Miner Spennymoor, Durham, England Ann Bell Sister In Law Married Female 18 1863 - Germany Mary Bell Daughter Niece Single Female 0 1881 - Ferryhill, Durham, England
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Rambling
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25 Sep 2019 18:06 |
That army record has father Anthony Bell crossed through and "none" written in, for siblings full or half it just has "none".
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25 Sep 2019 18:25 |
AHA! So that's this one which helps not at all!
BELL, DAVID DENNISON DENNISON GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 242
First name(s) David Dennison Last name Bell Gender Male Birth year 1872 Birth place - Baptism year 1872 Baptism date 17 Mar 1872 Residence Shildon, Durham, England Place Shildon County Durham Country England Father's first name(s) Anthony Father's last name Bell Mother's first name(s) Margaret Mother's last name Bell Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%) BELL Anthony Auckland 10a 381 Dennison Margaret Auckland 10a 381
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25 Sep 2019 18:25 |
That 1891 census. Margaret is born ???? Head, W B. Or N B.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Folly Road, Brotherton, Pontefract, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Anthony Bell Head Married Male 48 1843 Miner Durham, Durham, England Margaret Bell Wife Married Female 31 1860 - - Robert Bell Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Durham, Durham, England Mark Bell Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Durham, Durham, England Anthony Bell Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Durham, England Andrew Bell Son - Male 5 1886 Scholar Yorkshire, England Agnes R Bell Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Castleford, Yorkshire, England
EDIT Could be born BarrHead.
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alviegal
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25 Sep 2019 18:33 |
Perhaps Margaret Dennison was his true wife. She was described as being a 'lunatic' on the 1881 census. I wonder who Margaret Connor from Scotland is.
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25 Sep 2019 18:50 |
a couple of other Bell/Dennison children
BELL, SARAH DENNISON DENNISON GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 272
BELL, JOHN THOMAS DENNISON GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 253
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Chris Ho :)
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25 Sep 2019 19:00 |
No idea on Census below, the Soldier Robert Bell War Death 1915, makes mention of Widow Mary Ann (Soldiers Effects)...
Chris :)
1911 Robert Bell Head Married Male 31 1880 Coal Miner Hewer Durham N K Mary Bell Wife Married Female 30 1881 - Yorkshire Methley Edna May Bell Daughter Single Female 2 1909 - Yorkshire West Allerton Robert Harold Bell Son Single Male 3 1908 - Yorkshire Castleford Anthony Bell Boarder Widower Male 70 1841 Coal Miner Hewer Durham N K Clark Hutton Boarder Single Male 28 1883 Coal Miner Hewer Ireland Co Derry 51 King Street Glasshoughton, Glass Houghton, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), (says Married 4yrs, 3 children born, 2 living, 1 died)
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Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- BELL Robert Pontefract 9c 171 ROGERS Mary Ann Pontefract 9c 171
Birth BELL, EDNA MAY ROGERS GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in TADCASTER Volume 09C Page 1034
(on Marriage image, age 27, Bachelor, occ. Miner, his Father, Anthony Bell, occ. Miner. Residence, 33, Temple Street. Mary Ann, 25, Spinster, 3, Leaf St, Father, Enoch Rogers, occ. Miner, wits. Enoch Rogers, Sarah Ann Rogers )
(below was at 5)
1901 John Thos Bell Head Married Male 24 1877 Coal Hewer Durham, Durham, England Lily Bell Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Castleford, Yorkshire, England John Ed Bell Son - Male 0 1901 - Castleford, Yorkshire, England 5, Temple Street, Castleford, Pontefract, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),
1911 Robert Hall Boarder Single Male 46 1865 Carter Nottingley Yorkshire John Thomas Bell Head Married Male 34 1877 Coal Miner Hewer - Lillie Bell Wife Married Female 33 1878 - Castleford Yorkshire John Thomas Bell Son - Male 9 1902 - Castleford Yorkshire Robert Bell Son - Male 8 1903 - Castleford Yorkshire Margaret Bell Daughter - Female 4 1907 - West Allerton Yorkshire 26 Eastfield Lane Castleford, Castleford, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),
Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Bell John Thomas Pontefract 9c 189 Hall Lilley Pontefract 9c 189
(his Father also Anthony Bell, occ. Miner, and below also)
David Bell abt 1872 26 Dec 1898 Castleford, All Saints Maria Isabell Broome
1901 David Bell Head Married Male 29 1872 Colliery Bye Worker Cragg Hill, Durham, England Maria Isabell Bell Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Aberford, Yorkshire, England Victoria Eva Bell Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Pontefract, Yorkshire, England 6, Carleton View, Pontefract, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),
1911 David Bell Head Married Male 40 1871 Fish Hawker Durham NK Maria Isabell Bell Wife Married Female 38 1873 - Yorks Aberford Victoria Eva Bell Daughter - Female 10 1901 - Yorks Pontefract Arthur Bell Son - Male 7 1904 - Yorks Glass H 7 King Street Glasshoughton, Glass Houghton, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),
(probably relates below)
09 December 1896 - Yorkshire Evening Post - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
At Castleford to-day, Anthony Bell, miner, was fined 15s., or fourteen days, for having matches in his possession at Glass Houghton Colliery
British Army Service Records First name(s) Robert Last name Bell Birth year 1879 Birth parish Bull Craig (Bull Cragg) Birth town Durham Birth county Durham Birth country England Service number 7697 Regiment York And Lancaster Regiment Year 1897 Attestation date 07 Dec 1897 Attestation age years 18 Attestation age months 2 Attestation service number 7697
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25 Sep 2019 19:02 |
That's the one I'm sure Chris, children are on the service record/
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25 Sep 2019 19:05 |
Margaret Lee???
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Sleetburn Colliery, Brandon & Byshottles, Durham, Durham, England
Richard Y Teasdale Head - Male 56 1815 - Durham, England Mary Teasdale Wife - Female 46 1825 - Northumberland, England William M Teasdale Son - Male 26 1845 - Durham, England John R Teasdale Son - Male 17 1854 - Durham, England Margaret Lee Servant - Female 12 1859 - Scotland Renfrewshire
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25 Sep 2019 19:16 |
And her parents?
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Sleetburn Colliery, Brandon & Byshottles, Durham, Durham, England
Patrick Lee Head - Male 45 1826 - Ireland Margaret Lee Wife - Female 41 1830 - Ireland Rebecca Lee Daughter - Female 18 1853 - Scotland John Lee Son - Male 16 1855 - Scotland Thomas Lee Son - Male 13 1858 - Scotland Jane Lee Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Scotland Peter Clark Lodger - Male 40 1831 - Ireland Charles Reynolds Lodger - Male 26 1845 - London, Middlesex, England William Wilson Lodger - Male 50 1821 - Yorkshire, England Edward Tooley Lodger - Male 43 1828 - Ireland John Green Lodger - Male 46 1825 - Durham, England
Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
First name(s) Margaret Last name Lee Sex Female Birth year 1859 Birth date 27 Jun 1859 Baptism year 1859 Baptism date 27 Sep 1859 Denomination Roman Catholic Baptism place Barrhead Parish St John Diocese Glasgow County Renfrewshire Country Scotland Father's first name(s) Patrick Father's last name Lee Mother's first name(s) Margaret Mother's last name Lindsay
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25 Sep 2019 19:23 |
Looks like 1871 could be her, her parents must have lived in Durham because she surely wouldn't be in Durham on her own age 12. Another mystery Rambling, see one of her children on the 1901 census was Enock, Lee, found him born Pontefract in 1899 but couldn't find him or mother Margaret on the 1911 census. In 1901 she was in prison in Pontefract. name of Bell been written in.
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alviegal
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25 Sep 2019 19:34 |
Enoch in 1911. He is a boarder under L G B, whatever that is.
1911 Census For England & Wales
77 Balby Road Balby Doncaster Yorkshire, Balby with Hexthorpe, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Maria Abel Head Single Female 61 1850 - Bedford Andrew Thomas Abel Brother Widower Male 54 1857 Fitter Discharged Medically Pupil Late Of Arsenual Woolwich St James Doncaster Enoch Lee Boarder - Male 12 1899 School Pontefact Yorks
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